Should Labour move right or left?

[blake 10]

I doubt it, but I hope Corbyn knows that he will go down like a lead balloon in any or the marginal seats in this country which is where elections are won, and lost. He might get a bit of a crowd in Hampstead and Kilburn which is one of the marginal London seats that Labour only just managed to hold on to last time in what was one of their best results of the entire election which they lost badly. People might turn out for Corbyn there, in Hampstead and Kilburn, during a Labour party leadership rally. But they won't vote for Corbyn in Hampstead and Kilburn, in the actual next general election if Corbyn is the Labour party candidate. The Tory will win it. Be careful what you wish for.

Edited August 8, 2015 by blake

[Anna B 1,414]

I doubt it, but I hope Corbyn knows that he will go down like a lead balloon in any or the marginal seats in this country which is where elections are won, and lost. He might get a bit of a crowd in Hampstead and Kilburn which is one of the marginal London seats that Labour only just managed to hold on to last time in what was one of their best results of the entire election which they lost badly. People might turn out for Corbyn there, in Hampstead and Kilburn, during a Labour party leadership rally. But they won't vote for Corbyn in Hampstead and Kilburn, in the actual next general election if Corbyn is the Labour party candidate. The Tory will win it. Be careful what you wish for.

 

Well, according to our poll, Labour should move left, and the rise of Jeremy Corbyn seems to confirm it. What is worrying is that this is in the teeth of opposition from Labour itself, who seem to have no inkling of what their party members want.

 

We think the Tory elite are out of touch, but it looks like the Labour elite (also a bunch of millionaires and toffs) are equally out of touch. How has this happened, and who does represent the working class these days?

[cuttsie 1,091]

Well, according to our poll, Labour should move left, and the rise of Jeremy Corbyn seems to confirm it. What is worrying is that this is in the teeth of opposition from Labour itself, who seem to have no inkling of what their party members want.

 

We think the Tory elite are out of touch, but it looks like the Labour elite (also a bunch of millionaires and toffs) are equally out of touch. How has this happened, and who does represent the working class these days?

 

One of the funniest things has been the sight of John Prescott on the B.B.C. news ,grinning away saying a fresh look is just what Labour needs.

 

So we have it straight from the mouth of one of the Architects of new labour.

Who knows the Sheffield mob of Blunkett , Betts and Cabourn may be coming out and admitting they let the socialism that they gained power on down in a big way.

We can dream.

[DrNorm 10]

but it looks like the Labour elite (also a bunch of millionaires and toffs) are equally out of touch.

 

You may or may not be right on this Anna, but the party has to be a broad church.

 

If Labour can't appeal to the voters who became "blue collar conservatives", and anyone who has achieved a measure of success, then it is doomed to the sidelines for decades.

 

We must stop looking for differences within the party and unite behind the interests of those who gain their income from their Labour, rather than from their Capital investments.

 

If you're a worker, you gain your income from an employer, so if we undermine employers we undermine employed labour.

 

There may be fights we can pick with speculators, global corporations, tax avoiders and the like, but we mustn't see all businesses and successful entrepreneurs as the enemy.

[cuttsie 1,091]

You may or may not be right on this Anna, but the party has to be a broad church.

 

If Labour can't appeal to the voters who became "blue collar conservatives", and anyone who has achieved a measure of success, then it is doomed to the sidelines for decades.

 

We must stop looking for differences within the party and unite behind the interests of those who gain their income from their Labour, rather than from their Capital investments.

 

If you're a worker, you gain your income from an employer, so if we undermine employers we undermine employed labour.

 

There may be fights we can pick with speculators, global corporations, tax avoiders and the like, but we mustn't see all businesses and successful entrepreneurs as the enemy.

Most blue collar workers gain their income from an employer and then promptly give the money back to those company's .

Gas,Electricity, shop , transport,food, agricultural workers along with many more.

[*_ash_* 88]

Well, according to our poll, Labour should move left, and the rise of Jeremy Corbyn seems to confirm it. What is worrying is that this is in the teeth of opposition from Labour itself, who seem to have no inkling of what their party members want.

 

We think the Tory elite are out of touch, but it looks like the Labour elite (also a bunch of millionaires and toffs) are equally out of touch. How has this happened, and who does represent the working class these days?

 

Out of touch... so anyone who doesn't share leftie views are out of touch now.

 

Have you considered that non-lefties think that lefties are out of touch?

[blake 10]

One of the funniest things has been the sight of John Prescott on the B.B.C. news ,grinning away saying a fresh look is just what Labour needs.

 

So we have it straight from the mouth of one of the Architects of new labour.

Who knows the Sheffield mob of Blunkett , Betts and Cabourn may be coming out and admitting they let the socialism that they gained power on down in a big way.

We can dream.

 

Prescott was definitely not one of the 'architects' of New Labour at all, he just jumped on the bandwagon and was the token leftist with the gruff northern accent, of the package, in the non-job of Deputy Leader.

 

Labour also definitely did not 'gain power' in 1997 from socialism. They had to Repeal Clause 4 before the voters would trust them and I see Corbyn has been making noises already about reinstating Clause 4.

[cuttsie 1,091]

Prescott was definitely not one of the 'architects' of New Labour at all, he just jumped on the bandwagon and was the token leftist with the gruff northern accent, of the package, in the non-job of Deputy Leader.

 

Labour also definitely did not 'gain power' in 1997 from socialism. They had to Repeal Clause 4 before the voters would trust them and I see Corbyn has been making noises already about reinstating Clause 4.

Sorry he just jumped in the Jags ,then the grace and favour flat ,then the Towers then the Lords,

[blake 10]

Labour always have to have a left and right wing on the ticket, when Kinnock was Labour leader he was the left wing one and the right winger on the ticket was Hattersley, if heaven help us Corbyn does get to be Labour leader then you can be sure a rightwinger will turn up to balance the ticket as Deputy. However that will not save them from the utter oblivion they face if Corbyn does fluke it.

[Anna B 1,414]

Out of touch... so anyone who doesn't share leftie views are out of touch now.

 

Have you considered that non-lefties think that lefties are out of touch?

 

When you consider the Corbyn phenomenon, (which after all started as something of a Labour joke) and how it has taken off, I think it rather proves my point. The Labour party certainly didn't expect it. Nor do I think Corbyn 'belongs' to the lefties. He seems to be attracting support right across the board.

[blake 10]

Nor do I think Corbyn 'belongs' to the lefties. He seems to be attracting support right across the board.

 

that is of course perfectly true. The Tories, in particular, are not only cheering for Corbyn from the sidelines, but voting for him in droves too.

[TJC1 10]

Labour always have to have a left and right wing on the ticket, when Kinnock was Labour leader he was the left wing one and the right winger on the ticket was Hattersley, if heaven help us Corbyn does get to be Labour leader then you can be sure a rightwinger will turn up to balance the ticket as Deputy. However that will not save them from the utter oblivion they face if Corbyn does fluke it.

 

Tom watson is favourite to be deputy. Stella creasy is the centre left alternative.