Should Labour move right or left?

[cuttsie 1,091]

Pay your £3 sub and vote for him.

 

https://supporters.labour.org.uk/leadership/1

You will end up with the M.F.I tapping your phone and following you around Town [they always wear dark glasses and have a bulging trouser pocket;)

[Happ Hazzard 10]

Why on earth are Labour selling votes for £3?

[alchresearch 215]

Because the rules on party donations were altered so they couldn't get their huge union subs chunk?

[Happ Hazzard 10]

There has to be a better way surely? Maybe if they were more representitive of the average British working person they wouldn't struggle for funds so much?

[banjodeano 31]

There has to be a better way surely? Maybe if they were more representitive of the average British working person they wouldn't struggle for funds so much?

It isnt about recruiting funds, I think it was Millibands idea, it was decided to let people buy a vote for £3 to stop unions running the show, hoping to get a better mixture of folk loyal to labour from up and down the country, and not just loads of Union members, but it looks like it has come back to bite them in the bum, all the people who have had enough of austerity are now voicing their opinion and voting with their feet

[drummonds 10]

It isnt about recruiting funds, I think it was Millibands idea, it was decided to let people buy a vote for £3 to stop unions running the show, hoping to get a better mixture of folk loyal to labour from up and down the country, and not just loads of Union members, but it looks like it has come back to bite them in the bum, all the people who have had enough of austerity are now voicing their opinion and voting with their feet

 

so a bit like x-factor.

[Eater Sundae 12]

is that how you see it? nothing to do with your beliefs? just hook as many fish as possible? your miles away from the target...

 

What if the choice is between:

 

1 Sticking steadfastly to your beliefs, without compromise, and never getting even a sniff of power and so no opportunity to put any of your beliefs into practice, or

 

2 Realising that you cannot get everything your own way and so accept compromise with enough nearly like minded people to enable you to gain a part of the power base and so be able to put some of your beliefs into practice.

[banjodeano 31]

What if the choice is between:

 

1 Sticking steadfastly to your beliefs, without compromise, and never getting even a sniff of power and so no opportunity to put any of your beliefs into practice, or

 

2 Realising that you cannot get everything your own way and so accept compromise with enough nearly like minded people to enable you to gain a part of the power base and so be able to put some of your beliefs into practice.

option 2.......

[drummonds 10]

option 2.......

 

so with corbyn being thought by only 17% of voters to be prime ministerial material he probably wouldn't be the sensible option.

 

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3602/Burnham-leads-the-pack-but-all-Labour-hopefuls-have-work-to-do.aspx

 

With two months to go until the next leader of the Labour party is selected, Ipsos MORI’s latest Political Monitor shows that the public are still to make up their mind about the contenders, and none have a net positive rating overall. Andy Burnham leads the pack with 27% agreeing he ‘has what it takes to be a good Prime Minister’, although equally another 27% take the opposite view. Yvette Cooper comes second with 22% thinking she has what it takes while one out of three (34%) do not. Jeremy Corbyn and Liz Kendall trail behind with 17% and 16% respectively saying they have what it takes to be a good PM. Three in 10 (30%) however don’t think Ms Kendall has what it takes while 36% are critical of Mr Corbyn.

[DrNorm 10]

The name of the game is finding common cause with as many people as possible.

 

is that how you see it? nothing to do with your beliefs? just hook as many fish as possible? your miles away from the target...

 

What if the choice is between:

 

1 Sticking steadfastly to your beliefs, without compromise, and never getting even a sniff of power and so no opportunity to put any of your beliefs into practice, or

 

2 Realising that you cannot get everything your own way and so accept compromise with enough nearly like minded people to enable you to gain a part of the power base and so be able to put some of your beliefs into practice.

 

I believe in finding common cause, and so should any sensible political party. Common cause is about mutual benefit.

 

If we set up some unchangeable principle, that we're never going to compromise on, then that encourages others to do the same. You know, if you're not prepared to give as well as take, why should I? Where does that lead? The politics of the Middle East comes to mind.

 

One way of compromising is to re-order our priority list. We may want everything on the list, we may not want to give anything up, but if we can have items 3 and 4 now, we can defer items 1 and 2 to a later date rather than get nothing.

 

The problem with the principles of some of those in the party is that they get in the way of mutual benefit. It's a good word mutual, it's part of the history of the Labour movement, like co-op.

 

If the Labour party is to survive it must remember co-operation, mutual benefit, common cause, compromise. Politics is not an "all or nothing" battle. It's about making progress in small steps.

[gomgeg 10]

I see this morning the latest poll among labour voters puts Jeremy Corbyn in the lead for the leadership, to paraphrase " will this be the longest suicide vote in history".

Before the recent election I heard a political commentator saying 500 seats in the country don't matter, elections are decided on 150 swing seats, so called Middle England, so South Yorkshire will always vote labour and the South East will always vote Tory. Tony Blair recognised this and though he is still hated by the left he won 3 elections for labour. Therefore it seems Its no good voting in who you might want as leader on ideological grounds but the best alternative who's acceptable to the country. I also read that at the moment whatever you may think of him Boris Johnson is the most popular politician in the country,

(We're doomed captain Mannering).

Slightly off subject the politicians I've heard recently who've impressed me have been John Mann labour and Zac Goldsmith and Jacob Rees Mogg Tory.

[drummonds 10]

Why on earth are Labour selling votes for £3?

 

with the tories increasing their lead in the polls to 12%, what have labour got to lose?