dutch   68 #661 Posted June 2, 2015 I also think that cyclists should have to take the official driving theory test & CBT! And anyone that rides a scooter under 125cc should take the official driving theory test too. Seems ridiculous that they can take the CBT without it.  Many cyclist already have a drivers licence. If you are upset that many irresponsible kids are cycling on the roads your suggestion is understandable but unlikely to make a big difference.  Why are you so angry at cyclists? It sounds like you hate them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
TheRocketMan   10 #662 Posted June 2, 2015 Many cyclist already have a drivers licence. If you are upset that many irresponsible kids are cycling on the roads your suggestion is understandable but unlikely to make a big difference. Why are you so angry at cyclists? It sounds like you hate them.  I dont hate cyclists but im starting to dislike the attitude of the ones that have contributed to this post.  A cyclist who commutes to and from work (especially in london) should have.........  The basic road riding skills like a CBT test. The standard knowledge in road signs, overtaking, signalling, stopping distances etc road theory test Riders insurance. Pay a small fee/tax/permit towards a road system they clearly use. Bike registration against traffic violations & crime prevention.  It clearly makes sense.......anything that will help reduce the number that are getting hit by buses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ChalireFish   10 #663 Posted June 2, 2015 Car users would be much more forgiving if those pesky cyclists actually paid road tax.  Agreed - nor do I think they should be allowed to ride 2 and 3 abreast - bad enough to pass 1 of them never mind several Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchemist   35 #664 Posted June 2, 2015 Jeez, we need to explain this again? Well established that the more cyclists there are on the road, the safer all cyclists are. (Postulated that this is because motorists become more used to them).  Raise barriers to cycling (compulsory helmets, bike MOTs, competence testing) and you get less cyclists.  Less cyclists = greater danger.  Even though the competance of the cyclist may be suspect? So its better to have a large number of incompetant cyclists without helmets and unsafe cycles than a smaller numer of cyclists that know what they are doing riding safe cycles in a safe manner?  Sorry, no matter how many times you "explain" that it still doesnt make sense. Still Im sure YOU know what you are thinking and your reasoning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eater Sundae   12 #665 Posted June 2, 2015 Agreed - nor do I think they should be allowed to ride 2 and 3 abreast - bad enough to pass 1 of them never mind several  Usually easier and safer to pass two abreast than two in line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #666 Posted June 2, 2015 I dont hate cyclists but im starting to dislike the attitude of the ones that have contributed to this post. A cyclist who commutes to and from work (especially in london) should have.........  The basic road riding skills like a CBT test. The standard knowledge in road signs, overtaking, signalling, stopping distances etc road theory test Riders insurance. Pay a small fee/tax/permit towards a road system they clearly use. Bike registration against traffic violations & crime prevention.  It clearly makes sense.......anything that will help reduce the number that are getting hit by buses  If you mean that cyclists should be responsible you are right. But responsibility is not achieved by tests. I know the rules and I cycle really bad, why should I care? especially when a driver has little respect for the cyclist. Most cyclists in holland have insurance, cannot argue that.  Once again, there is no such thing as road tax, it has been gone since 1930's. Even an electric car rides as free as a bicycle.  Registration will not identify the rider, anyone could be riding that bike that belongs to such or so.  Did you see that cool video on youtube yesterday of 100 Londoners lifting up a bus to get it of a cyclist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchemist   35 #667 Posted June 2, 2015 I know the rules and I cycle really bad, why should I care? especially when a driver has little respect for the cyclist.  But you SHOULD care because eventually your bad cycling and a motorist who doesnt care are going to coincide and YOU will be the one who comes off worse Like it or not, whether you are right or not does not help when you are in hospital or a grave. You need to be careful, competant and obey the rules of the road. Using the excuse that drivers break the rules so why shouldnt cyclists is no excuse or protection from harm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Les Duke   10 #668 Posted June 2, 2015 In the relative short time I've properly lived in Sheffield, I've witnessed a disproportionate amount of abuse and aggressive deliberate dangerous driving from motorists towards cyclists. As a motorist only I find this extremely shocking and wondered where all this animosity comes from, and why anyone even bothers to commute by bicycle in Sheffield?  motorist would be less agitated with cyclists if they were more compliant with the highway code because this also applies to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #669 Posted June 2, 2015 But you SHOULD care because eventually your bad cycling and a motorist who doesnt care are going to coincide and YOU will be the one who comes off worse Like it or not, whether you are right or not does not help when you are in hospital or a grave. You need to be careful, competant and obey the rules of the road. Using the excuse that drivers break the rules so why shouldnt cyclists is no excuse or protection from harm  Don't worry, it all depends on what you call bad, does not need to dangerous antisocial or irresponsible. Rocketman is a rule control freak, in his eyes I will be very bad, others call me good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
adamf   10 #670 Posted June 2, 2015 Pay a small fee/tax/permit towards a road system they clearly use.  Have you not been paying attention the past 100 or so times that road funding has been explained? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Squiggs   11 #671 Posted June 2, 2015 motorist would be less agitated with cyclists if they were more compliant with the highway code because this also applies to them.  Also one might say that  Cyclists would be less agitated with motorists if they were more compliant with the highway code because this also applies to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
TheRocketMan   10 #672 Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) But responsibility is not achieved by tests. I know the rules and I cycle really bad, why should I care? especially when a driver has little respect for the cyclist.?  The above statement is a contradiction of itself and the reasoning of a petulant teenager.  We have rules for people like you....to protect you from yourself.  Like "Dont use a hair-dryer in the shower" or "This hot apple pie is hot" Edited June 2, 2015 by TheRocketMan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
