Oliver Coppard to win sheffield hallam?

[Helj 10]

Even that bastion of toryland the Daily Telegraph says Clegg will either win by 1,000 or lose by 1,000

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11567634/The-age-of-Nick-Clegg-is-drawing-to-an-end.html

It is too close to call. No certainty or heartland of conservatism about it

[WiseOwl182 10]

What makes me laugh is seeing mansions on Ecclesall Road South with Labour Coppard signs out. Such a strange sight to see such obviously wealthy people begging to have more money taken off them by the state, especially when they have most probably been big benefactors of Conservative policy. Why not cut the middle man and just sell up, buy a 2 bed terrace, and give the proceeds out to welfare claimants directly?

[Helj 10]

Maybe they would rather vote for a fairer society, despite having the 'mansions' ?

[WiseOwl182 10]

Even that bastion of toryland the Daily Telegraph says Clegg will either win by 1,000 or lose by 1,000

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11567634/The-age-of-Nick-Clegg-is-drawing-to-an-end.html

It is too close to call. No certainty or heartland of conservatism about it

 

Hallam used to be a Tory heartland, there is no denying that. Things changed in the 1997 Labour landslide - many switched to the Lib Dems and the Labour vote share actually went down. The Tories have never really fully recovered in Hallam or nationally since then - they couldn't even win out right in 2010 when Labour had put the country on its knees.

 

Much of it is down to an excellent Labour spin machine pedalling the same old falsehoods. It is also unfashionable to be anything close to slightly right of centre now - a lot of people who vote Tory do so quietly, especially outside of rural areas. Finally, it's worth bearing in mind that around 60% of people get their news from the BBC. Some people may suggest it has a left wing bias.

 

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Maybe they would rather vote for a fairer society, despite having the 'mansions' ?

 

Maybe, but as I said, if they feel so strongly they could give directly. Maybe champagne socialists? But why now? Why suddenly switch to Labour when the economy is recovering, which ultimately gives a much fairer society with equal opportunities and jobs for those that want them, rather than unfair opportunities for people to live off other people's taxes.

[Helj 10]

I think a lot of the Coppard success is down to the same way Richard Allan won for the LibDems-he is local and can be seen to have local connections and interests. Allan did really well, he was an excellent MP. Nothing to say Coppard won't do the same,

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[WiseOwl182 10]

Another thought for those to-be Labour supporters....

 

If they get their way, and we elect a Frankenstein government made up of a Marxist's son and Scottish nationalists, just wait for the mess that follows. The election after will not be close to call at all, it will be a Tory landslide. And Cameron is a soft Tory, wait until Boris is your PM.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

[Guest]

I predict a minority Tory government that lasts about a month before another election is called which results in another Tory Libdem coalition.

[Helj 10]

Because the 'bedroom tax' zero hours contracts and cuts to disability benefit and care services aren't where they can give directly and can be seen to hit those who most need help. SOme people actually do care for others, not just themselves. If Osborne proved his post-election cuts weren't going to be where people would think they were completely wrong he would say where they are going to be felt, but he consistently refuses to say.

 

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And it will be Osborne not Boris who takes over after Cameron

[WiseOwl182 10]

Because the 'bedroom tax' zero hours contracts and cuts to disability benefit and care services aren't where they can give directly and can be seen to hit those who most need help. SOme people actually do care for others, not just themselves. If Osborne proved his post-election cuts weren't going to be where people would think they were completely wrong he would say where they are going to be felt, but he consistently refuses to say.

 

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And it will be Osborne not Boris who takes over after Cameron

 

"Bedroom tax" is a good case in point with regard to the Labour spin machine and how it is played out in the left leaning media. It's not a tax - a tax is where the government takes money from your earnings. It's a benefit cut. Further more, it was already in place for social housing, the government was just bringing housing benefit paid towards private rentals into line.

 

Zero hours contracts - another good example. These were introduced under Labour. The way they talk about them, anyone gullible enough would believe they are common place. In reality, they account for around 2% of all the new jobs created under the coalition government, and of that small percentage, around half actually want that type of contract for the flexibility it offers (e.g. students).

 

Disability benefits grew massively under Labour. Many people were receiving huge disability benefits and they were simply not intended for them. Labour had similar plans to review the status of its recipients, had they won in 2010.

 

Voting Tory does not mean that you don't care for others, it means that you believe a stronger economy can better provide for everyone, and the state should have less to do with choosing how to spend your money and more to do with making sure there are opportunities out there for those who want to take them (plus support for those who CAN'T take them, but no free meal tickets for those who won't).

Edited April 28, 2015 by WiseOwl182

[JFKvsNixon 11]

I predict a minority Tory government that lasts about a month before another election is called which results in another Tory Libdem coalition.

 

This is what I'll think will happen. I think that the Tories will win a small majority, but SNP/Labour will push through a vote of no confidence, and this alliance will cost them votes in the election that'll follow.

 

The only other alternative would be a Labour minority government, supported by the SNP.

[ubermaus 10]

Another thought for those to-be Labour supporters....

 

If they get their way, and we elect a Frankenstein government made up of a Marxist's son and Scottish nationalists, just wait for the mess that follows. The election after will not be close to call at all, it will be a Tory landslide. And Cameron is a soft Tory, wait until Boris is your PM.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

 

All the more reason to vote labour then.

Who wants a buffoon as a pm.

[WiseOwl182 10]

This is what I'll think will happen. I think that the Tories will win a small majority, but SNP/Labour will push through a vote of no confidence, and this alliance will cost them votes in the election that'll follow.

 

The only other alternative would be a Labour minority government, supported by the SNP.

 

 

I think the latter will happen. The Tories will win more seats, but even with the Lib Dems will not have enough for a majority. Labour plus the SNP and other "progressive" parties (another excellent Labour spin doctor phrase) will cobble together more seats and function as a minority government for a good 6 months or so. The mess will result in a Tory landslide soon after.

 

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All the more reason to vote labour then.

Who wants a buffoon as a pm.

 

Read my post again. Voting Labour to get a weak Labour government propped up by the SNP will only result in a Tory landslide in the near future - not a bad thing, but perhaps not what people voting Labour next week are intending.

 

As a soft Tory myself I actually think a Tory and Lib Dem coalition is quite a good thing. The Lib Dems can peg the Tories closer to the centre ground on many issues and have shown in the last 5 years that it can be an effective partnership. Economically I will always tend towards conservative principles though.

Edited April 28, 2015 by WiseOwl182