rossyrooney   12 #13 Posted April 11, 2015 Start here Tim, I initially joined in the discussion to take down a peg or two some of the more vitriolic and aggresive posters but they took exception to me defending him and proceeded to make life hell for him and his young family. I could never tolerate bullying let alone corporate bullying.  Btw ... I have never spoken/seen/or heard from the person involved. I just thought that he could do with a friend at the time.  http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=644524&highlight=ben+curran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #14 Posted April 11, 2015 Start here Tim, I initially joined in the discussion to take down a peg or two some of the more vitriolic and aggresive posters but they took exception to me defending him and proceeded to make life hell for him and his young family. I could never tolerate bullying let alone corporate bullying. Btw ... I have never spoken/seen/or heard from the person involved. I just thought that he could do with a friend at the time.  http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=644524&highlight=ben+curran  Ah, I do remember the case. I completely disagree with your interpretation of the situation, as far as I can work out/remember Curran had a serious case to answer, he answered it and that was the end of that one.  In my view, no disrespect, holding that against the track-record of Scriven in Sheffield does very little to besmudge his achievements unless you already decided that Scriven was the enemy reincarnate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
rossyrooney   12 #15 Posted April 12, 2015 Curran had no case to answer to,that was decided by the police who got involved at the behest of Scriven and his cohort assistant, who also was voted out by the public at the first opportunity they had to do so.  The information he was accused of stealing was available in the public domain and Scriven knew that for a fact, it was political bullying and the work of an arrogant egotist.  Strike one for the little man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #16 Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Curran had no case to answer to,that was decided by the police who got involved at the behest of Scriven and his cohort assistant, who also was voted out by the public at the first opportunity they had to do so. The information he was accused of stealing was available in the public domain and Scriven knew that for a fact, it was political bullying and the work of an arrogant egotist.  Strike one for the little man  He did, that was why the police got involved. The reason LibDem lost so many seats, including Scriven's was nothing to do with local politics, it was to do with the enormous downswing in LibDem support following the national trend. Which nicely brings us back to the OP, perhaps democracy in Sheffield is indeed a sham, as long as it is Labour it is good, everything else gets judged through a telescope and burned as soon as they dare stand up to Labour. Edited April 12, 2015 by tzijlstra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
rossyrooney   12 #17 Posted April 12, 2015 I have the greatest admiration for the way you offer reasoned argument in every discussion you get involved in Tim but on this occasion I have to say that you are doing me a disservice.  Politics and me parted company many years ago, I have very little interest in the current hustings because you couldn't fit a fag paper between the lot of them, they are all careerists with the electorate looked upon as an inconvenience that has to be mollified every five years.  However, I know you are aware of my current situation but I will defend with my dying breath any "little man" who is having the establishment used against him as weapon(bullying aid) and that was what was happening in this case in my opinion.  In my defence I am far from a weak minded "Sheffielder" who would vote for a donkey with a red rosette, what I am, and you will not hear me apologise for, is a seeker of fairation for all,some would say a pain in the ass, but if I can help I will always do so,  The politically fed media would have us believe lots of things that just a little delving are shown as, let's just say, are not always 100% true or correct.  As always Tim I enjoy our little conversations ... C'mon Dem Blades:hihi: Sorry mate, I just couldn't resist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #18 Posted April 12, 2015 I have the greatest admiration for the way you offer reasoned argument in every discussion you get involved in Tim but on this occasion I have to say that you are doing me a disservice. Politics and me parted company many years ago, I have very little interest in the current hustings because you couldn't fit a fag paper between the lot of them, they are all careerists with the electorate looked upon as an inconvenience that has to be mollified every five years.  However, I know you are aware of my current situation but I will defend with my dying breath any "little man" who is having the establishment used against him as weapon(bullying aid) and that was what was happening in this case in my opinion.  In my defence I am far from a weak minded "Sheffielder" who would vote for a donkey with a red rosette, what I am, and you will not hear me apologise for, is a seeker of fairation for all,some would say a pain in the ass, but if I can help I will always do so,  The politically fed media would have us believe lots of things that just a little delving are shown as, let's just say, are not always 100% true or correct.  As always Tim I enjoy our little conversations ... C'mon Dem Blades:hihi: Sorry mate, I just couldn't resist.  As do I pal! I'm not suggesting you are defending the switching councillor because he is Labour, that was an aside that I think we both share a dislike off, the fact that no matter what, Labour will win here, in fact, I can't think of any reasonably informed person who is happy to have the same party represent them continuously in this fashion in a democratic state.  I just felt I needed to challenge you on your dislike of Scriven as it has come to the fore numerous times on this forum, having said that, I hope you are able to slag him off on here for the next ten years plus, I know you won't mind me defending him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
InigoMontoya   10 #19 Posted April 16, 2015 I always wonder what you have against Scriven, rarely do I read more aggressive posts coming from you than when it concerns him... Anyway, on topic, why is it a sham?   Because it's being described as a "hustings", and candidates are being explicitly excluded.  This is neither open debate nor a contribution to democracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #20 Posted April 16, 2015 Because it's being described as a "hustings", and candidates are being explicitly excluded. This is neither open debate nor a contribution to democracy.  Fair enough, I am not familiar with a formal definition of hustings, I could imagine though that if the other candidates WANTED to take part they could? Do you know whether that is the case or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
benoliver999 Â Â 10 #21 Posted April 22, 2015 According to their announcement they have only invited the listed parties. Â I wouldn't go so far as 'sham' but it's ironic that a group called 'Sheffield for Democracy' is picking and choosing the candidates it wants for its hustings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
JPCarrington   10 #22 Posted April 22, 2015 Hello everyone,  Firstly just a quick reminder that the Sheffield Central hustings is 6pm Tomorrow, at the quaker meeting house. Event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/421297071382451/  And secondly, a note that I am on the steering group of 'Sheffield For Democracy'. So might be able to help provide explanations to some of your queries.  Most of our activity is actually involved in campaigning for accountability in local bodies, responding to parliamentary inquiries nationally, etc and generally lobbying for more representative systems of democracy everywhere we can. However we do (when & where we have the resources) also host hustings that otherwise would not occur, they are intended purely as a supplement and not a replacement to as many democratic events as possible. (Some might remember our PCC by-election hustings as one of the only ones to occur, as an example).  The short answer concerning the 2015 invites is:- ten candidates was too many for a debate that sought to get through a majority of audience questions (Electoral Commission's guidance even suggests 4-5), and rather than 'pick and choose' (which is how the debate panels of various other hustings which have included the Pirate Party, Carlton Reeve, etc. have been done) we determined our invites by all the available objective criteria we could find. In Hallam that produced invites for 5 of the 8 candidates standing, in Central 5 of the 10.  The full 'invite methodology' (all options explored, all data used, etc) is freely available and I will email anyone a copy who wants to read it: j.carrington@live.co.uk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
benoliver999   10 #23 Posted April 23, 2015 The full 'invite methodology' (all options explored, all data used, etc) is freely available and I will email anyone a copy who wants to read it: j.carrington@live.co.uk  Why not just put it up online? It only takes a link and you can appease those who wonder how the candidates are chosen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
JPCarrington   10 #24 Posted April 23, 2015 Why not just put it up online? It only takes a link and you can appease those who wonder how the candidates are chosen.  It should have already been put up on the website. Thanks for pointing this out, as I completely agree.  Unfortunately I can't share files on here. However if you have access to view posts in our Facebook Group I have just uploaded the file there: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sheffieldfordemocracy/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...