South Yorkshire has the 2nd highest murder rate in the UK.

[Dannyno]

Hahaha!

 

A guesstimate:huh: You're wrong so get over it.

 

Do you know what a forensic scientists job entails?

You do know Glasgow is the busiest lab outside London?

Do you know Scotland is a world leader in forensic sciences?

 

I don't care much for your documents. My partner laughed at your pathetic effort to defend your stats. In fact your initial stats didn't even include Glasgow/Strathclyde.(how strange.)

 

You were riding high and enjoying the toadies fawning over you until i put you right. I guess you are one of those who can't admit when you're wrong.

 

Get "over it"? Get over what? I'm completely dispassionate about the whole thing. Why would anyone "fawn" over me, when all I was doing is posting the official stats?

 

Anyway, what's sauce for the skeptical goose is sauce for the skeptical gander. As I said, official stats are not perfect, but homicide stats are likely to be more accurate for obvious reasons.

 

Now anyone can come along and say all the usual cliches about statistics, but the point is that we know where these stats come from and we can analyse them and make up our own minds. That's good skepticism, and I'm in favour of it.

 

I see no reason, if we are skeptical of official stats, to be anything other than skeptical about your "partner" as well. That seems equally reasonable, doesn't it? Otherwise it's just an argument from "authority", but since we don't know who you are, or who your partner is, or what the basis of their guesstimate is, how can we judge "authority"?

 

I did ask how it was that your partner's guestimate differed so much from the published police stats. We haven't had an answer to that, but it would be interesting to know. That would be genuinely helpful to us skeptics.

 

If these stats are wrong, why are they wrong?

 

You say that it is "strange" that my initial stats didn't include Glasgow/Strathclyde.

 

It's not that strange though, is it, since what I posted were the stats for England and Wales, which was clear from the links. Glasgow/Strathclyde are of course in Scotland, as I expect your partner could tell you, and therefore not included in the stats for England and Wales.

 

England and Wales do tend to be accounted for separately in official documents and stats - for obvious reasons now, but it always used to be the case too.

 

So what I then helpfully did, when Scottish cities were mentioned during the discussion, is locate the Scottish statistics. No mystery. Not "strange".

[BHRemovals]

These are shocking ststistics.

[GLASGOWOODS]

You do know who produced those stats, because I posted the documents and it tells you.

 

Anyway, thanks for clarifying your source, ie. it's a guesstimate by a forensic scientist/manager. She has no "figures", and it's not clear on what basis she is coming up with that number. Could just be suspicious deaths that upon further investigation are resolved, who knows? The figures that have been posted are for homicides of a defined sort, treated as murder/manslaughter. I see no reason to expect a forensic scientist to have secret knowledge, and every reason to be cautious about the accuracy of recall of individuals, regardless of how much experience you claim they have. People are bad at estimating, even forensic scientists.

 

Of course, you still might be making all this up. You might not even have a partner. At least published statistics can be scrutinised, which is ultimately the point.

 

23 years on the front line and you have the nerve to question the figures she gave me without hesitation, or doubt and within a few seconds.

 

Here's how things work...

 

FS go to the scene, then lab, followed by "backing up" their findings in the courts. Believe it or not they can count and log/store the figures.

 

After they've done their job your guess is as good as mine and my partner why the figures change.

 

Imagine your down the pub with your forensic pal with 23 years service in the bag and he gives you figures different than some Gov statistician, who would you believe?

 

Do you believe Gov figures on crime, employment, immigration? etc. I don't.

 

I do have a partner. Why the hell would I come on here and make something up? I've learnt a lot of interesting things on SF without demanding links/stats, or whatever. It doesn't take a genius to work out whose genuine on here and those who live in a wee fantasy world.

[slope]

23 years on the front line and you have the nerve to question the figures she gave me without hesitation, or doubt and within a few seconds.

 

Here's how things work...

 

FS go to the scene, then lab, followed by "backing up" their findings in the courts. Believe it or not they can count and log/store the figures.

 

After they've done their job your guess is as good as mine and my partner why the figures change.

 

Imagine your down the pub with your forensic pal with 23 years service in the bag and he gives you figures different than some Gov statistician, who would you believe?

 

Do you believe Gov figures on crime, employment, immigration? etc. I don't.

 

I do have a partner. Why the hell would I come on here and make something up? I've learnt a lot of interesting things on SF without demanding links/stats, or whatever. It doesn't take a genius to work out whose genuine on here and those who live in a wee fantasy world.

 

There is a lot of sense here. Statistics are made up by a percentage or a poll. Either way, the results will only be based on whom they have spoken to. Lets use the old cat food claim. 8 out of ten cat owners, blah blah. Well, they never asked me or my mother and we both have cats, and our moggies preferred the other one, which rhymes with Helix. I also don't believe in stats, and prefer pure hard evidence.

[facom1]

And I thought Sheffield was supposed to be one of the safest places around http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/south-yorkshire-police-top-brass-discuss-county-s-homicide-rate-1-7122805

 

Sheffield is a vile place to live. It's always been regarded as a hard place to live. Where on Earth did you have perception it was safe?

[Detetcive]

Sheffield is a vile place to live. It's always been regarded as a hard place to live. Where on Earth did you have perception it was safe?

 

**** poor trolling

 

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[sheff1johnny]

Sheffield is a vile place to live. It's always been regarded as a hard place to live. Where on Earth did you have perception it was safe?

 

Sheffield is fairly safe, but like any major city has parts that most people would be better to avoid. I don't think any city could say that it was 100 percent safe to live in.

[facom1]

**** poor trolling

 

0/10

 

How is it trolling when I am 100% a Sheffielder, Born in a house in Attercliffe in 1970 , grew up worked and studied here? Do explain your ridiculous theory on my trolling?

 

I do hope all detetcives are not involved in reducing Sheffield crime rates.

Edited March 4, 2015 by facom1

[Flexo]

These are shocking ststistics.

 

I don't suppose you can recommend a removal firm in Broomhill?

[facom1]

I don't suppose you can recommend a removal firm in Broomhill?

 

Try Detetcives.com guaranteed to rip you off..