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I am not surprised since when I think about it, I know of 3 people that I either went to school with or were relatives of my best friend who have been murdered in Sheffield in the past 10 years.

 

That's a lot really when you think about it, abnormally high. I certainly wouldn't like to think that trend of personally knowing 3 people who get murdered in violent crimes every 10 years will continue for the rest of my life.

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I wonder how many people in the cities of sanctuary were consulted about their city getting itself awarded that title? Few if any I suppose.

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And I thought Sheffield was supposed to be one of the safest places around http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/south-yorkshire-police-top-brass-discuss-county-s-homicide-rate-1-7122805

 

It is. and murder and violent crime are down year on year, even when you ignore the police reported figures. We are a much less violent society than we were even 30 years ago.

 

---------- Post added 24-02-2015 at 19:52 ----------

 

Dare I say it........

 

City of Sanctuary??

 

There I said it. Make your own minds up about what this means.

 

Sorry I give up. Is it some casual racism so beloved of many on this forum? If not, I really give up. Please enlighten us.

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I wonder how many people in the cities of sanctuary were consulted about their city getting itself awarded that title? Few if any I suppose.

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I don't think you understand what "City of Sanctuary" actually is. It's not a title you are awarded for taking more asylum seekers or anything like that.

 

City of Sanctuary is a movement trying to promote a culture of hospitality for asylum seekers, it consists of volunteers trying to work with communities and local councils to make asylum seekers feel welcome and included and supported.

 

I don't know why people object to this, unless they just don't like foreigners.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/jun/04/asylum.support.sheffield

 

---------- Post added 24-02-2015 at 20:26 ----------

 

Crime statistics are not 100% reliable, however the homicide rate is probably one of the most reliable statistics, for obvious reasons.

 

If you look at the stats this Star article was about, what's interesting is that in 1967 the homicide rate per million of population was 7.3. In 2013/14 it was 9.2, having reached a peak in 2002/3 of 17.9.

 

It's also interesting that out of 526 homicides in 2013/14, the victim knew their killer in over 63% of cases. Over 80% of women victims knew their killers, compared to 54% of male victims.

 

I recommend looking at the stats, they're very interesting. They even go into the circumstances in which the crime were committed, and the location of the crime. Not what you might predict.

 

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.html?edition=tcm%3A77-376027

 

Anyway, in relation to South Yorkshire, the number of homicides per million was indeed 16.9, secondly only to Bedfordshire (Bedfordshire?!). However, it's also worth noting that the number of homicides was 23 in 2013/14, which is lower than Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire, West Midlands, and Metropolitan. Bedfordshire only had 7 homicides.

 

I haven't found stats for Sheffield specifically yet.

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Dare I say it........

 

City of Sanctuary??

 

There I said it. Make your own minds up about what this means.

 

95% of people who are murdered are done so by someone they know.

 

So hospitality to strangers isn't necessarily linked

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Ok, found the city stats.

 

So in South Yorkshire, it breaks down like this (2013/14 again):

 

Sheffield: 11 homicides

Rotherham: 6

Doncaster: 4

Barnsley: 2

 

The stats I've found aren't quite the same as the stats the Star is reporting, homicides per million are different, but not far out - only a couple of points either way.

 

So Sheffield's 11 homicides makes our rate per million 19.7.

 

Here are the rates per million for the rest of South Yorkshire and some other places:

 

Sheffield: 19.7

Rotherham: 23.2

Doncaster: 13.2

Barnsley: 8.5

 

Bristol: 16.18

Bedford: 25.1

Luton: 34

Peterborough: 21.5

Hartlepool: 21.7

Middlesborough: 36

Copeland, Cumbria: 28.4 (2 murders out of a population of 70,300!)

Bolsover: 26.2

Torbay: 38

Bournemouth: 32

Darlington: 19

Cheltenham: 17.2

Gloucester: 32

Bolton: 17.9

Manchester: 21.5

Salford: 25

Gosport: 36

Hertsmere: 19.8

Kingston upon Hull: 19.4

Dover: 26.8

Lancaster: 28.6

Leicester: 27

Boston: 30.8

Lincoln: 21

Scarborough: 18.4

Kettering: 31.6

Mansfield: 28.6

Guildford: 21.5

Rugby: 19.8

Coventry: 18.6

Leeds: 17

 

I just picked some near or higher than Sheffield, for some kind of context.

 

---------- Post added 24-02-2015 at 21:14 ----------

 

95% of people who are murdered are done so by someone they know.

 

So hospitality to strangers isn't necessarily linked

 

63%, in fact. See above.

 

Dan

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