Penistone999 10 #121 Posted February 22, 2015 I moved to Spain for work over twenty years ago and had a mountain of paperwork to complete, all in spanish. As they were not translated into english I had to pay a translator to do this for me. I had to learn the language otherwise life would have been difficult. Now there are many different nationalities in Spain and the town halls still do not offer their paperwork in any other language but spanish. Why should they? The officials say,"you are in Spain, you should speak spanish". I agree with them, but that is my opinion. This country is too accommodating to people who make no effort to integrate themselves into the British way of life , i wish we would adopt the Spanish policy on this issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Charlie48 10 #122 Posted February 22, 2015 I bet your glad you moved there and don't have to put up with all the pc rubbish us brits have to contend with now Yes it was much better in the good old days with all that warm and friendly racism, domestic violence, class distinction, homophobia, etc. I really miss having a 4 year old child to stuff up the chimney when it needs cleaning. Political correctness does have some miss-guided interpretations but that is the sharp end of a whole raft of measures that have allowed people fair opportunities and to be judged on their abilities, not just how they appear. As the Royal British Legion has often pointed out, we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the millions of non-white soldiers from the British Empire who fought alongside us in both world wars. But I suppose you would have wanted to check they could speak English before you'd let them fight for us. There was even Indian and Guarkha regiments base in Sheffield for a period in WWII. Lucky they didn't learn about some of the yellow bellies on here they were fighting for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002 11 #123 Posted February 23, 2015 Yes it was much better in the good old days with all that warm and friendly racism, domestic violence, class distinction, homophobia, etc. I really miss having a 4 year old child to stuff up the chimney when it needs cleaning. Political correctness does have some miss-guided interpretations but that is the sharp end of a whole raft of measures that have allowed people fair opportunities and to be judged on their abilities, not just how they appear. As the Royal British Legion has often pointed out, we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the millions of non-white soldiers from the British Empire who fought alongside us in both world wars. But I suppose you would have wanted to check they could speak English before you'd let them fight for us. There was even Indian and Guarkha regiments base in Sheffield for a period in WWII. Lucky they didn't learn about some of the yellow bellies on here they were fighting for. hey I agree with you I wonder what they would think of the yellow bellied gov who have turned this country into the multi cultural utopia it is today :hihi: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jog_on 10 #124 Posted February 23, 2015 Over my working life I have dealt with many people who have been in this country for years and still speak very little English if any at all.I don't have problems with leaflets etc to help out but I do Object to using public money for supplying translaters if the people come here it should be up to them to either find a translater or pay to learn the English language and not rely on others. Completely agree. ---------- Post added 23-02-2015 at 07:22 ---------- This country is too accommodating to people who make no effort to integrate themselves into the British way of life , i wish we would adopt the Spanish policy on this issue. Exactly right. Why should we pay for translators? I also agree with the poster who suggested the people in favour of this, have extra added to their council tax, as I'm sure I don't want to pay for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dannyno 19 #125 Posted February 23, 2015 There's no evidence whatsoever that there are lots of people "making no effort" to learn English. The census found fewer than 1500 people who spoke no English, and for all we know they may have been recent arrivals who were just starting lessons. The 2013-14 language usage report is here: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/dms/scc/management/corporate-communications/documents/legal-justice-rights/equality-diversity/customers/Language-Usage-Report-2013-2014/Language%20Usage%20Report%202013-2014.pdf In that year, there were 8448 interpretation sessions, and 371 translations. The 8448 interpretations include 102 British Sign Language interpretation sessions. The 8448 interpretations cost £238,854.92, an average of about £28 per session. The BSL interpreters are more expensive, costing £12,574.82 overall, an average of £123 per session. The 371 translations cost £47,633.72, an average of about £128 per translation. The inclusion of BSL interpretation reminds me that interpretation isn't just a one way thing. Imagine a Slovak speaker, whose English is weak, gets assaulted. When interviewed by Police, the police would find it useful to have an interpreter present to make sure they understand the evidence the Slovak speaker is giving. Those numbers are interesting, anyway, they give us more of an insight into what is going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
GLASGOWOODS 10 #126 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) You never come across Scottish Gaelic? When I worked on South Usit I spent some time living with a family, the children could only speak Gaelic, their parents had left the island and worked on the mainland, England and overseas only returning to take over the croft when their own Gaelic speaking parents became to old to run it alone. Over breakfast each morning I would attempt to learn the language, 45 years later I can't remember very much apart from Madainn mhath (good morning). Yes and it's on the list as zero. Look again Blackbeard. I want to know why 11 Scots speak Scot? (what is this strange language) Most Scots aint interested in speaking Gaelic. Like this thread they think it's a waste of tax-payers cash. Edited February 23, 2015 by GLASGOWOODS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dannyno 19 #127 Posted February 23, 2015 Yes and it's on the list as zero. Look again Blackbeard. I want to know why 11 Scots speak Scot? (as it states) Most Scots aint interested in speaking Gaelic. Like this thread they think it's a waste of tax-payers cash. Scots is Germanic rather than Celtic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blackbeard 10 #128 Posted February 23, 2015 Scots is Germanic rather than Celtic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language Thanks, you learn something new every day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
GLASGOWOODS 10 #129 Posted February 23, 2015 Scots is Germanic rather than Celtic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language As Blackbeard said: You learn something new everyday. My missus is Scottish. Time for me to educate her. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Kevo 10 #130 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) There's no evidence whatsoever that there are lots of people "making no effort" to learn English. The census found fewer than 1500 people who spoke no English, and for all we know they may have been recent arrivals who were just starting lessons. The 2013-14 language usage report is here: Evidence???? I'm talking about years n years of experience visiting and dealing with thousands of people over 40 years.As regards for Census have you never heard the phrase the pen is mightier than the sword Who do you really think fills the forms in for these people??? They go to family,friends or places that will fill forms in for them. Edited February 24, 2015 by esme quote tags Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999 10 #131 Posted February 23, 2015 Yes it was much better in the good old days with all that warm and friendly racism, domestic violence, class distinction, homophobia, etc. I really miss having a 4 year old child to stuff up the chimney when it needs cleaning. Political correctness does have some miss-guided interpretations but that is the sharp end of a whole raft of measures that have allowed people fair opportunities and to be judged on their abilities, not just how they appear. As the Royal British Legion has often pointed out, we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the millions of non-white soldiers from the British Empire who fought alongside us in both world wars. But I suppose you would have wanted to check they could speak English before you'd let them fight for us. There was even Indian and Guarkha regiments base in Sheffield for a period in WWII. Lucky they didn't learn about some of the yellow bellies on here they were fighting for. I think you have been reading too many copies of that Leftie, socialist Socialist worker . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dannyno 19 #132 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) There's no evidence whatsoever that there are lots of people "making no effort" to learn English. The census found fewer than 1500 people who spoke no English, and for all we know they may have been recent arrivals who were just starting lessons. The 2013-14 language usage report is here: Evidence???? I'm talking about years n years of experience visiting and dealing with thousands of people over 40 years.As regards for Census have you never heard the phrase the pen is mightier than the sword Who do you really think fills the forms in for these people??? They go to family,friends or places that will fill forms in for them. I think evidence is a good thing when we're making prejudicial comments about people "making no effort" to learn. To the census we can add the evidence of 2013/14 expenditure, which again does not suggest a massive problem with people who have "made no effort" to learn English, given the small numbers involved. Dan Edited February 24, 2015 by esme quote tags Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...