Serious assault on nurse at NGH

[Chelle-82 10]

Quite true.

So many incidents go unreported because nurses excuse many of them as 'unavoidable' if their patient is confused or mentally distressed in some way. I have been assaulted on many occasions over the years but only once by a man who wasn't confused or mentally ill - he was in full possession of his faculties.

My point was that the incident in question was only witnessed by another patient who,fortunately, was well enough to get out of bed and pull the man off the nurses neck. It's clear that there were so few staff around that there was no one in earshot to assist this poor nurse who will now be off sick and possibly mentally traumatised by the incident.

 

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I will be very interested to watch and see what action STH take following this serious incident.

 

Wrong..... There were plenty of staff but they were all stood screaming and allowing Jason to do the work! bearing in mind Jason was seriously ill and shouldn't have been out of bed.

 

This wasn't the only incident either.. that man was awake all night going through people's personal belongings, trying to light his cigarette off of the lights on the machine one of the old chaps were hooked up to, in the early hours of the morning he had already bent another nurses fingers back!

 

There were plenty of staff, they were inadequate to deal with such a person who should not have been on that ward.

 

The male nurse who was supposedly 'watching him' took himself off for a break when the strangling incident occurred.

 

Oh and the lady who made a comment about the situation on behalf of the hospital said after the incident the gentleman was removed from the ward..... YEAH!! into a small room a few yards away from the bay! and once again given a female nurse to watch over him!!

Edited February 24, 2015 by Chelle-82

[Daven 10]

Wrong..... There were plenty of staff but they were all stood screaming and allowing Jason to do the work! bearing in mind Jason was seriously ill and shouldn't have been out of bed.

 

This wasn't the only incident either.. that man was awake all night going through people's personal belongings, trying to light his cigarette off of the lights on the machine one of the old chaps were hooked up to, in the early hours of the morning he had already bent another nurses fingers back!

 

There were plenty of staff, they were inadequate to deal with such a person who should not have been on that ward.

 

The male nurse who was supposedly 'watching him' took himself off for a break when the strangling incident occurred.

 

Oh and the lady who made a comment about the situation on behalf of the hospital said after the incident the gentleman was removed from the ward..... YEAH!! into a small room a few yards away from the bay! and once again given a female nurse to watch over him!!

 

Whatever happened to patient confidentiality ?

I would seriously suggest you edit your post - remember your codes of practice.

Have you reported your concerns about the incidents mentioned ?

Have you completed the online Datix form to voice your concerns ?

What support did the 'Hospital at Night' team give you ? What did the duty matron do to assist with the situation as it spiralled out of control ?

'There was plenty of staff' you say - please can I come and work on your ward ?

Edited February 24, 2015 by Daven

[Chelle-82 10]

Whatever happened to patient confidentiality ?

I would seriously suggest you edit your post - remember your codes of practice.

Have you reported your concerns about the incidents mentioned ?

Have you completed the online Datix form to voice your concerns ?

What support did the 'Hospital at Night' team give you ? What did the duty matron do to assist with the situation as it spiralled out of control ?

'There was plenty of staff' you say - please can I come and work on your ward ?

 

Daven, i'm related to Jason.. I'm not a member of staff

[Daven 10]

Daven, i'm related to Jason.. I'm not a member of staff

 

Chelle-82 - you didn't state that in your post. Nursing staff are not allowed to restrain patients in the general setting.

Have you asked for an investigation ?

It must have been very distressing for you.

Edited February 24, 2015 by Daven

[Chelle-82 10]

Chelle-82 - you didn't state that in your post.

Have you asked for an investigation ?

 

Yes.

 

Jason has asked for it to be investigated on behalf of himself and the nurse that was strangled as he felt very sorry for her and he was very angry with the handling of the whole situation.

[woodmally 10]

Whatever happened to patient confidentiality ?

I would seriously suggest you edit your post - remember your codes of practice.

Have you reported your concerns about the incidents mentioned ?

Have you completed the online Datix form to voice your concerns ?

What support did the 'Hospital at Night' team give you ? What did the duty matron do to assist with the situation as it spiralled out of control ?

'There was plenty of staff' you say - please can I come and work on your ward ?

 

I wouldnt worry about his confidentiality there could be many people called Jason. No one will know who he is unless you were there. The poster didnt give his full name and we dont even know if Jason is his real name.

[Daven 10]

I wouldnt worry about his confidentiality there could be many people called Jason. No one will know who he is unless you were there. The poster didnt give his full name and we dont even know if Jason is his real name.

 

The poster has already stated that she is a relative of the patient and not a member of staff so this puts a very different slant on things.

 

---------- Post added 24-02-2015 at 11:58 ----------

 

Yes.

 

Jason has asked for it to be investigated on behalf of himself and the nurse that was strangled as he felt very sorry for her and he was very angry with the handling of the whole situation.

 

Well it sounds as though you have both done as much as you can at this point.

Why do you say he shouldn't have been on that ward ?

[Chelle-82 10]

Chelle-82 - you didn't state that in your post. Nursing staff are not allowed to restrain patients in the general setting.

Have you asked for an investigation ?

It must have been very distressing for you.

 

Other patients shouldn't have to do it though should they! The chap should never have been placed on that ward. bad decision making

 

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The poster has already stated that she is a relative of the patient and not a member of staff so this puts a very different slant on things.

 

---------- Post added 24-02-2015 at 11:58 ----------

 

 

Well it sounds as though you have both done as much as you can at this point.

Why do you say he shouldn't have been on that ward ?

 

Because he was not mentally fit to be around the other gentlemen on that ward. Apart from Jason the other four beds were occupied by elderly gentlemen and from the moment that other chap came onto the ward he was showing signs of aggression. He did not have the correct escort with him either! he was placed on the ward with a male nurse who kept on leaving him to be 'watched' by a female nurse.

 

Even two security blokes came onto the ward when the finger bending incident happened but they just left also after a few moments.

[Daven 10]

Last night a ward at the NGH was besieged by over 30 members of a local 'travelling' family who were upset about something and were causing disruption and damage to the ward.

The police had to be called.

The nurses on that ward dealt with it the best way they could and continued to give excellent care to all the other patients on the ward.

This sort of situation is having to be dealt with on a daily basis by men and women who have trained to care for the sick and shouldn't be put in a situation of aggression and fear in their working environment. I feel strongly that the general public should be kept informed of the constant, unrelenting pressures that nurses have to face every day of their working lives.

Well done to the staff involved.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

Other patients shouldn't have to do it though should they! The chap should never have been placed on that ward. bad decision making

 

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Because he was not mentally fit to be around the other gentlemen on that ward. Apart from Jason the other four beds were occupied by elderly gentlemen and from the moment that other chap came onto the ward he was showing signs of aggression. He did not have the correct escort with him either! he was placed on the ward with a male nurse who kept on leaving him to be 'watched' by a female nurse.

 

Even two security blokes came onto the ward when the finger bending incident happened but they just left also after a few moments.

 

Where do patients with mental health problems go to receive general medical or surgical care then? Mental health nurses are not qualified to look after medical or surgical patients.

 

The right answer is for the patients with metal health problems to have the right level of mental health support within the general health care setting.

 

I don't know if this is as a result of the incident in this thread, but within the last two weeks there was a patient within the trust who had 4 mental health careers with them at all times within the general care settings. There were times when all four were required.

[Chelle-82 10]

Where do patients with mental health problems go to receive general medical or surgical care then? Mental health nurses are not qualified to look after medical or surgical patients.

 

The right answer is for the patients with metal health problems to have the right level of mental health support within the general health care setting.

 

I don't know if this is as a result of the incident in this thread, but within the last two weeks there was a patient within the trust who had 4 mental health careers with them at all times within the general care settings. There were times when all four were required.

 

I don't know what the answer is. But what I do know is, what happened with Jason should NEVER happen again! A very sick patient having to play security. Ridiculous.

 

Jason doesn't even blame the ill man, even when he dragged him off the nurse and sat him down in the chair he still felt sorry for him as he had no idea where he was or what he was doing. Bad decision making as I've said before.

[hello1964 23]

What!

 

So it was preferable to lock up thousands of people with even mild learning disabilities in secure units? You are havin' a laugh.

 

Assaults by people with mental health issues are rare. Such a person is much more likely to be the victim of an assault. But guess which stories the media tends to follow.

Actually the media covers only murders and similar, otherwise the daily assaults on the nurses all over England, are totally ignored by them.

The phrase regarding the mentally ill more likely to be victim than assailant. Can you back it up with facts?

 

---------- Post added 26-02-2015 at 18:16 ----------

 

Quite true.

So many incidents go unreported because nurses excuse many of them as 'unavoidable' if their patient is confused or mentally distressed in some way. I have been assaulted on many occasions over the years but only once by a man who wasn't confused or mentally ill - he was in full possession of his faculties.

My point was that the incident in question was only witnessed by another patient who,fortunately, was well enough to get out of bed and pull the man off the nurses neck. It's clear that there were so few staff around that there was no one in earshot to assist this poor nurse who will now be off sick and possibly mentally traumatised by the incident.

 

---------- Post added 23-02-2015 at 16:45 ----------

 

I will be very interested to watch and see what action STH take following this serious incident.

 

Don't hold your breath. Both NHS trusts in Sheffield are not willing to genuinely implement zero tolerance of violence towards their staff.