RonJeremy   10 #25 Posted February 18, 2015 What it does show that an allegation of withholding treatment gets taken very seriously by the NHS and the nurses professional bodies, and it can have serious consequences for those that are accused of this.  So a question of "can a nurse refuse to treat somebody" doesn't have a yes or no answer. I was referring to the OP about a "serious assault". And I assume and I guess I am right that a nurse can walk away from a (physical) assault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
JFKvsNixon   10 #26 Posted February 18, 2015 I was referring to the OP about a "serious assault". And I assume and I guess I am right that a nurse can walk away from a (physical) assault.  What if the patient has serious mental health issues and they are also a threat to themselves? What if it's a patient that has just come around from an anaesthetic, and they're delirious? What if the patient is suffering from diabetes and they having an hypoglycemic episode?  In a lot of these situations there may be only one or two nurses present, and they will have a duty of care towards the patient. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RonJeremy   10 #27 Posted February 18, 2015 What if the patient has serious mental health issues and they are also a threat to themselves? What if it's a patient that has just come around from an anaesthetic, and they're delirious? What if the patient is suffering from diabetes and they having an hypoglycemic episode? In a lot of these situations there may be only one or two nurses present, and they will have a duty of care towards the patient. And yet some people on here think they should be jailed immediately for 5 - 10 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dhs1   10 #28 Posted February 19, 2015 Looks like the situation was dealt with as well as possible. A review of the risks and how they are assessed and actioned is all part of the every day plan of micro managing constant improvements.  This is about NHS management. Improving target figures usually takes priority over improving treatment and frontline staff numbers.  So if a man thumps a nurse, he or she doesn't have the right to walk away. He or she has to treat them and continue to be thumped until unconscious or dead?  I was referring to the OP about a "serious assault". And I assume and I guess I am right that a nurse can walk away from a (physical) assault.  What if the patient has serious mental health issues and they are also a threat to themselves? What if it's a patient that has just come around from an anaesthetic, and they're delirious? What if the patient is suffering from diabetes and they having an hypoglycemic episode? In a lot of these situations there may be only one or two nurses present, and they will have a duty of care towards the patient.   The nurse, if it had been physically possible which doesn't appear to have been the case in the OP, has a duty of care not only to the patient committing the assault as JFLvsNixon says, but also to any other patients present. Therefore even if able any qualified member of hospital staff cannot "just walk away". Paramedical staff would face sanctions for doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
vincentb   10 #29 Posted February 19, 2015 Assaulting a police officer is no different from assault on any one else.  No, assaulting a police offer is a special crime in itself and has more serious punishments: Assaulting a constable in the execution of his duty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
monkey104 Â Â 10 #30 Posted February 19, 2015 No, assaulting a police offer is a special crime in itself and has more serious punishments: Assaulting a constable in the execution of his duty. Â Nope. If you look it up you will see that the maximum penalty for common assault or sec 47 are the same for police and civilians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #31 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) What also has to be considered that there were so few other staff around when this nurse was being strangled that it took another patient to drag the assaulter off the already unconscious nurse. If that gent hadn't been able to this we may have been discussing the murder of a nurse in the line of duty. Edited February 19, 2015 by Daven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
woodmally   10 #32 Posted February 20, 2015 And yet some people on here think they should be jailed immediately for 5 - 10 years?  Not jailed put in an institution that can care for them. Care in the community or so it was called when I was younger is a complete failure. These people need help which places like Middlewood Hospital could provide. Yet the government shut them down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Charlie48 Â Â 10 #33 Posted February 20, 2015 Not jailed put in an institution that can care for them. Care in the community or so it was called when I was younger is a complete failure. These people need help which places like Middlewood Hospital could provide. Yet the government shut them down. Â What! Â So it was preferable to lock up thousands of people with even mild learning disabilities in secure units? You are havin' a laugh. Â Assaults by people with mental health issues are rare. Such a person is much more likely to be the victim of an assault. But guess which stories the media tends to follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
woodmally   10 #34 Posted February 21, 2015 What! So it was preferable to lock up thousands of people with even mild learning disabilities in secure units? You are havin' a laugh.  Assaults by people with mental health issues are rare. Such a person is much more likely to be the victim of an assault. But guess which stories the media tends to follow.  Not all metal patients just the ones who are a severe danger to people like this guy. So what would you rather have more incidents like this one. Thats what care in the community has caused. They need help and support. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
The Manager   12 #35 Posted February 21, 2015 :thumbsup:Nurses do a hard job at NGH , staff cuts don't help at all on wards, theres many incidents go unreported to nurses , but they are expected to just get on with there job . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #36 Posted February 22, 2015 :thumbsup:Nurses do a hard job at NGH , staff cuts don't help at all on wards, theres many incidents go unreported to nurses , but they are expected to just get on with there job .  Quite true. So many incidents go unreported because nurses excuse many of them as 'unavoidable' if their patient is confused or mentally distressed in some way. I have been assaulted on many occasions over the years but only once by a man who wasn't confused or mentally ill - he was in full possession of his faculties. My point was that the incident in question was only witnessed by another patient who,fortunately, was well enough to get out of bed and pull the man off the nurses neck. It's clear that there were so few staff around that there was no one in earshot to assist this poor nurse who will now be off sick and possibly mentally traumatised by the incident.  ---------- Post added 23-02-2015 at 16:45 ----------  I will be very interested to watch and see what action STH take following this serious incident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...