Solomon1   10 #25 Posted February 23, 2015 Actions speak louder than words. Let those with any standing or authority with any of our communities guide us with proposals of action  People do appear to be attempting this, Flanker  But the media aren't interested in giving peaceful muslims, the same level and degree of media coverage as the crazies  Doesn't sell papers apparently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Flanker7   20 #26 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) People do appear to be attempting this, Flanker But the media aren't interested in giving peaceful muslims, the same level and degree of media coverage as the crazies  Doesn't sell papers apparently  Wot? What people? Attempting what?  Go on 'fill your boots' tell us. This is media of a type.  Bad news sells - so sell it to us as a campaign AGAINST child sexual exploitation.  I've tried with this thread . . . and failed so far. I'm unlikely to post on this again. Good Luck Solomon. Edited February 23, 2015 by Flanker7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bounce   10 #27 Posted February 23, 2015 So perfectly able to turn them in then. Grooming 1400 girls takes a lot of man power. We aren't talking about half a dozen offenders here.  1400 girls over many years not in the space of a few weeks. Don't try and twist the facts to make it appear as if a mass rape army has been operating on the streets of Rotherham.  ---------- Post added 23-02-2015 at 19:43 ----------  How do you come to that last conclusion?  Very easily. Islam doesn't allow sex outside of marriage and Pakistani culture is quite conservative regarding sex outside of marriage.  ---------- Post added 23-02-2015 at 19:45 ----------  Please do tell, who were they then ?  They were British men born and brought up in Rotherham. Speaking with local accents and following British culture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Emily Moore   10 #28 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) 1400 girls over many years not in the space of a few weeks. Don't try and twist the facts to make it appear as if a mass rape army has been operating on the streets of Rotherham.  Yes totally trivial. So trivial we had better blow it up a bit in case others miss it.  1400 girls over many years not in the space of a few weeks. Don't try and twist the facts to make it appear as if a mass rape army has been operating on the streets of Rotherham.  By the way you probably missed that this wasn't 1400 rapes. It was 1400 girls who were often raped many times each. Some by a dozen men in one night. By any standards that is a massive massive amount of sexual abuse and you seek to trivialize it. You harm Rotherham more than you help it because it is clear that many round here are still in denial.   Just what planet are you from? Are you auditioning for the job of Beacon of Hope for Rotherham? Edited February 23, 2015 by Emily Moore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SevenRivers   10 #29 Posted February 24, 2015 People do appear to be attempting this, Flanker But the media aren't interested in giving peaceful muslims, the same level and degree of media coverage as the crazies  Doesn't sell papers apparently  Most people who are not crazy don't get in the news for it. Not being crazy doesn't warrant media attention. It's not an anti-Muslim thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bounce   10 #30 Posted February 24, 2015 Yes totally trivial. So trivial we had better blow it up a bit in case others miss it. 1400 girls over many years not in the space of a few weeks. Don't try and twist the facts to make it appear as if a mass rape army has been operating on the streets of Rotherham.  By the way you probably missed that this wasn't 1400 rapes. It was 1400 girls who were often raped many times each. Some by a dozen men in one night. By any standards that is a massive massive amount of sexual abuse and you seek to trivialize it. You harm Rotherham more than you help it because it is clear that many round here are still in denial.   Just what planet are you from? Are you auditioning for the job of Beacon of Hope for Rotherham?  You said it takes a lot of manpower to abuse 1400 girls which would be true if it happened over a few weeks or months. It happened over many years which is why it doesn't take mass manpower and there's no evidence of any sort to suggest any one community being involved on mass. What is also clear is that not all the girls were white and not all offenders were of Asian Muslim background.  You're right I am from a different planet to Rotherham. My experience of Rotherham is of a segregated town where ignorant bigotry is rife. Other parts of northern England are the same although things are not as bad as they once were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
charmer   10 #31 Posted February 24, 2015 You said it takes a lot of manpower to abuse 1400 girls which would be true if it happened over a few weeks or months. It happened over many years which is why it doesn't take mass manpower and there's no evidence of any sort to suggest any one community being involved on mass. What is also clear is that not all the girls were white and not all offenders were of Asian Muslim background. You're right I am from a different planet to Rotherham. My experience of Rotherham is of a segregated town where ignorant bigotry is rife. Other parts of northern England are the same although things are not as bad as they once were.  Well that's because it is hard to use evidence to support a highly subjective statement like that.  Their is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Pakistani community was massively disproportionately involved. When wide-scale crime in endemic in a particular society, the rest of the community generally has some awareness. You will know this if you have ever lived in a deprived area. You know the drug dealers, the people who can get you guns, the people who commit hideous violent crimes.  People talk, especially in the Pakistani community. It is very integrated compared to wider British society. Everyone knows everyone's business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bounce   10 #32 Posted February 26, 2015 Well that's because it is hard to use evidence to support a highly subjective statement like that. Their is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Pakistani community was massively disproportionately involved. When wide-scale crime in endemic in a particular society, the rest of the community generally has some awareness. You will know this if you have ever lived in a deprived area. You know the drug dealers, the people who can get you guns, the people who commit hideous violent crimes.  People talk, especially in the Pakistani community. It is very integrated compared to wider British society. Everyone knows everyone's business.  There's also massive evidence to show that Asian Muslim males in Rotherham are disproportionately represented in the night time economies of the town. They own the takeaways and drive the cabs which is why there is a higher number of Asian offenders in this type of night time on street grooming. However in overall grooming in the UK Asian Muslims are not disproportionately involved at all.  You do an injustice to the people of Pakistan by calling these men Pakistani. For a start they didn't come over here from Pakistan and start committing offences. The offenders were all born and brought up in Rotherham.  Secondly their parents or grandparents migrated from a select few villages in southern Azad Kashmir which is a separate region under Pakistani administration. The people from those villages in Azad Kashmir speak a different language to most people in Pakistan. They also have a strong sense of Kashmiri identity and see mainland Pakistanis as somewhat different to them.  That doesn't mean they will not identify with Pakistan or Pakistanis but what it means is that they are a select group and not representative of Pakistanis in general.  Therefore it would be better if you used the term Britsih Asian to describe these men because that's what they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Solomon1   10 #33 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Therefore it would be better if you used the term Britsih Asian to describe these men because that's what they are  Thanks for this explanation, Bounce  Breaking things down, certainly helps to understand how such a strange situation could have arisen  ---------- Post added 01-03-2015 at 16:03 ----------  People talk, especially in the Pakistani community. It is very integrated compared to wider British society. Everyone knows everyone's business  Oh really  Then it's interesting that so many asian girls were also raped, yet their stories have hardly been told here?  Significant that the grooming was general widespread female abuse, and not just the working class whites, that the media would have us believe Edited March 1, 2015 by Solomon1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...