Guest sibon   #13 Posted January 14, 2015 You only have one vote, but I don't think there is any party that precludes membership on the grounds of someone being a member of another party, if they do they are fouling their own bread.  You can't join Labour or the Tories if you are a member of another party.  I don't know the rules for the minor parties, but I expect that it is the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #14 Posted January 14, 2015 You can't join Labour or the Tories if you are a member of another party. I don't know the rules for the minor parties, but I expect that it is the same.  Surprising and pretty dumb? Why disallow someone to be a member of another party? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
LeMaquis   10 #15 Posted January 14, 2015 Surprising and pretty dumb? Why disallow someone to be a member of another party?  Fairly obvious, really. Political parties compete against each other and (in theory anyway) have policies opposed to those of other parties. Anyone known to be in two parties would hardly be trusted. Which one would they prefer? Which one would they vote for? Are they more actively committed to one party than the other? Would they leaflet and canvass a road for one party and the next day for the other? Can they be trusted not to divulge internal secrets to the other? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cardoor   10 #16 Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) You wouldn't be able to post this in a fascist state without fearing for your life.  We're not far off, look at how quickly London has become a police state and the 1000's of people been arrested for silly 'crimes' such as calling a police horse gay.  there is different degrees of fascism. The definition of fascism is - "a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control" Which is a accurate description of the EU.  ---------- Post added 15-01-2015 at 02:17 ----------  Fairly obvious, really. Political parties compete against each other and (in theory anyway) have policies opposed to those of other parties. Anyone known to be in two parties would hardly be trusted. Which one would they prefer? Which one would they vote for? Are they more actively committed to one party than the other? Would they leaflet and canvass a road for one party and the next day for the other? Can they be trusted not to divulge internal secrets to the other?  Do you have to prefer one political party over the other? Why not just support them on the policies you believe in? How can any person in a political party be trusted? And why worry about secrets, to engage the electorate don't you think party policies donations etc should be transparent? Edited January 15, 2015 by cardoor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   601 #17 Posted January 15, 2015 We're not far off, look at how quickly London has become a police state and the 1000's of people been arrested for silly 'crimes' such as calling a police horse gay. there is different degrees of fascism. The definition of fascism is - "a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control" Which is a accurate description of the EU.  Nowhere near a fascist state. Travelled for weeks across Europe without once being asked for ID.  You really are insulting the huge numbers of people who died fighting fascism by comparing Europe of today to the 30's and 40's - or even the Iberian regimes into the 70's or Greece under the colonels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cardoor   10 #18 Posted January 15, 2015 Nowhere near a fascist state. Travelled for weeks across Europe without once being asked for ID. You really are insulting the huge numbers of people who died fighting fascism by comparing Europe of today to the 30's and 40's - or even the Iberian regimes into the 70's or Greece under the colonels.  The EU was founded by fascists, we have no voice, power, it is totally undemocratic. Now that is insulting to those who thought fascism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #19 Posted January 15, 2015 The EU was founded by fascists, we have no voice, power, it is totally undemocratic. Now that is insulting to those who thought fascism.  Educate yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
charmer   10 #20 Posted January 15, 2015 The EU was founded by fascists, we have no voice, power, it is totally undemocratic. Now that is insulting to those who thought fascism.  Nationalism is a contingent part of fascism. Therefore an entity that undermines nationhood can't be called fascist.  Dictatorial and fascism are not synonymous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cgksheff   44 #21 Posted January 15, 2015 Educate yourself.  See Post #14. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #22 Posted January 15, 2015 See Post #14.  What is that to do with calling the EU a fascist state? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
LeMaquis   10 #23 Posted January 15, 2015 The EU was founded by fascists, we have no voice, power, it is totally undemocratic.  The fascists actually lost WW2 and so weren't in much of a position to found anything. The EU also has a European Parliament. There were elections to it last year which attracted a lot of publicity. Maybe you missed what was going on.  ---------- Post added 15-01-2015 at 08:16 ----------  Do you have to prefer one political party over the other?  When you go to vote you only get one cross. So, yes, you'd have to express a preference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cardoor   10 #24 Posted January 17, 2015 Educate yourself.  Yes you should educate yourself  http://www.eu-facts.org/en/background/dark_roots_europe_lecture.html  ---------- Post added 17-01-2015 at 03:58 ----------  The fascists actually lost WW2 and so weren't in much of a position to found anything. The EU also has a European Parliament. There were elections to it last year which attracted a lot of publicity. Maybe you missed what was going on. ---------- Post added 15-01-2015 at 08:16 ----------   When you go to vote you only get one cross. So, yes, you'd have to express a preference.  EU was founded before WW2. http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles8/Atkinson-The-Totalitarians-who-Founded-the-European-Union-and-their-Impending-Triumph.php  Voting for eurocrats is not democratic. The EU is a dictatorship. Power is too centralised and unaccountable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...