Paris shooting. 17 dead

[blake 10]

the Palestinians have more claim to being Semites than anyone else in that region. Do not throw around words like anti-semite when you don't even know what they mean. The Palestinian Arabs are Semites .

 

you are the one, who doesn't know what the word antisemitism means. But to further your education, I'll take the trouble to explain to you exactly where the word comes from and why the word antisemitism has nothing at all to do with 'semitism' which is not a word in any dictionary, or even 'semite', which some people (i.e, dictionaries) think is a word, and others don't. ('Semitic' however is a word).

 

antisemitism in the English language is a word borrowed from the original German antisemitish which was a word invented by a German Jew-hater by the name of Wilhelm Marr, in an early example of political correctness, to make the act of hating Jews sound more 'scientific'. It has nothing to do with the word semite at all and is a word all in its own right.

 

the confusion that the word antisemitism has something to do with semite arises from a decision taken by a dictionary a hundred years or so ago to spell it in English with a hyphen (the original German antisemitisch is never spelt with any hyphen). This causes people like Bounce to draw the false conclusion that antisemitism as a word, is a sum of two parts.

 

the word Semitic was originally used to describe LANGUAGES like Arabic, Armhaic and Hebrew, and not the people that spoke them, which means most Israelis (including most Arab-Israelis but not all Jews) are Semites and only those Arabs that speak Arabic (or Armhaic and Hebrew) are Semites. Semitic does not describe an ethnic group. The word Semitic was coined by linguistical scholars in the later 19th century who derived it from the Greek Shem. Today about half of all Ethiopians speak a Semitic language, while the other half don't. This does not mean half of Ethiopians are 'Semites' and half are 'non-Semites'. It just means half of them speak a Semitic language.

 

it is important to point the etymology of atimsemitism out because people like Bounce and also Arabs themselves can sometimes turn round and claim 'how can I be an antisemite? I'm a Semite myself! when the word antisemite is not a sum of the two parts anti and semite, it is just a single word, and has never meant anything else, and was never intended to mean anything else, except the hatred of Jews.

 

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For those who do not know what Camera is. It's a pro Israel pressure group.

 

you really don't like the idea of Jews sticking up for themselves do you, especially when a site like CAMERA takes the trouble to expose the lying fabrications you claim are 'quotes' but which are just made up, and which you will neverthess continue to spam all over the internet whenever you feel like it, even though you know perfectly well yourself that they are all false.

 

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First you get the 1958 Abdul Karim Qasim coup mixed up with the 1963 Saddam coup and now you;re relying on sources such as Camera for your facts I'm sorry but you have lost all credibility..

 

first of all you are the one who mentioned the 1958 Iraqi coup and even posted that a 21 year old Saddam Hussein was involved in it (Saddam was born in 1937). Even though Saddam was about 2 million rungs down the pecking order from the top of the Ba'thist party with about as much status as a football hooligan at the time.

 

there were two coups in Iraq in 1963 and the CIA were not involved in either of them although they did have some forewarning of the first February one they judged that the new regime might be somewhat less unpalatable to them than the existing one was, however they were not the instigators of the coup. The USA was suspicious of the Ba'thists in Syria and Iraq right from the start, a suspicion which intensified into active dislike in the subsequent years and decades during which time Ba'thist Syria and Iraq moved firmly into the anti USA Soviet camp in the Middle East, which should surprise nobody as the Ba'thists like the Pan Arabic movement that inspired them were ANTI not pro Western from the very beginning.

 

which Bounce just ignores, because being an ignorant slob, he just assumes that the CIA must have had a hand in every coup that ever took place anywhere in the world during the Cold War era.

 

I bet Bounce also thinks 'the West armed Saddam's Iraq' too even though 7 out of every 10 of the billions of dollars Saddam spent on arms in the period 1973-90 went not to the western countries at all, but to the Communist Soviet Union, and China.

Edited January 20, 2015 by blake

[L00b 441]

How do you know?

Simple logic within the grasp of a primary school-age kid. Respective claims by those religions which hold their deity as the real one and all the others as fake idols are inherently self-conflicting: they can't all be right. Ergo all are wrong (save potentially for one, however see below).

Science doesn't say God doesn't exist.

Hasn't anyone ever told you that you cannot prove a negative?

Science contradicts with some of the statements in the Bible.

There's a surprise. Colour me properly flabbergasted!

Parts of the Bible being wrong doesn't disprove the existence of God in the slightest.

Theorise, test the theory objectively, validate or disprove the theory based on the test results. The existence of (a) God belongs 100% to the subjective realm, and as such cannot be objectively tested, nor validated. Not that it matters much, mind: we're thankfully a really long way past the age of obscurantism wherein scientific knowledge and developments were considered heretic (as a mortal political risk to the theocratic authorities of the time).

That doesn't prove anything. Scientific enlightenment is bringing us answers to understanding the physical building blocks of our universe. We don't, and probably never will, know what happened before the big bang. That's if the big bang theory is even correct.

And that matters in relation to 'Allah' (Muhammad, 7th century AD)...how? That was the point of my post in the context of this thread. Edited January 20, 2015 by L00b

[Zamo 10]

Not sure how this thread has drifted onto whether we can prove god doesn't exist? It is irrelevant.

 

There is a simple principle at stake and that is freedom. We are either free to say and believe what we want (within the constrains of our secular laws) without fear or favour, or we are not.

 

If we are to prevent atrocities being committed in the name of religion (and there have been so many and they continue daily) then we need to be able to challenge religious beliefs, teachings and practices as freely as any non-religious beliefs, teachings and practices. We cannot allow the religious to hide behind a wall of reverence and dismiss challenge with a wave of the blasphemy wand. Religion needs to be kept in check by a secular state that upholds the rule of law and has no part in supporting or facilitating religious practices, which is impossible to do without favour and therefore creating inequality.

 

It is a simple principle that we need to be working toward and not going away from. We must resist the religious who think their religious beliefs are more equal than others and we must not be cowered by the threat from the religious extremists. We also need to learn to live with a little offence... it doesn't really hurt.

[roosterboost 10]

Not sure how this thread has drifted onto whether we can prove god doesn't exist? It is irrelevant.

 

There is a simple principle at stake and that is freedom. We are either free to say and believe what we want (within the constrains of our secular laws) without fear or favour, or we are not.

 

If we are to prevent atrocities being committed in the name of religion (and there have been so many and they continue daily) then we need to be able to challenge religious beliefs, teachings and practices as freely as any non-religious beliefs, teachings and practices. We cannot allow the religious to hide behind a wall of reverence and dismiss challenge with a wave of the blasphemy wand. Religion needs to be kept in check by a secular state that upholds the rule of law and has no part in supporting or facilitating religious practices, which is impossible to do without favour and therefore creating inequality.

 

It is a simple principle that we need to be working toward and not going away from. We must resist the religious who think their religious beliefs are more equal than others and we must not be cowered by the threat from the religious extremists. We also need to learn to live with a little offence... it doesn't really hurt.

 

Have you ever been offended enough by what someone wrote in a magazine you didn't read about someone you've never met, to want to go to that magazine and shoot all the staff?

[esme 10]

Mod Note

 

This thread is about the Paris shooting, I will take any more off topic posts to mean you've exhausted the subject and it can be closed.

 

If you wish to discuss the existence or otherwise of deities please do so in a separate thread.

[L00b 441]

Lassana Bathily, from Mali and employed at the kosher grocery which was attacked by Coulibaly on 09 Jan 2015, was the guy who managed to hide 15 hostages in the stores' cold storage room. He had applied for naturalisation in July 2014, and has today been given the French nationality.

 

In other news, Fahd Jobrani, a Moroccan «cyberjihadi» residing and arrested in France, accused of planning an attack in Morocco and hate-/djihad- preaching on the web, was today looking at 6 years' worth of solitary inside, then summary charterising with a final and permanent injunction never to be allowed into France ever again, at Paris' criminal courts.

 

And the Great Clean-Up continues apace, with 5 Chechens rounded up (and their hideout of explosives neutralised) in Béziers today.

 

Some days feel better than others

Edited January 20, 2015 by L00b

[milquetoast1 10]

Enjoyed a nice couple of weeks holiday in Béziers.

[Ellco 10]

Are we all still discussing this. The solution has been made quite clear by Halibut. Love is the answer.

 

Therefore, I suggest Mr Halibut strolls through the hills of Iraq strumming a guitar while singing, Imagine.....

 

Problem solved.

[Halibut 12]

Are we all still discussing this. The solution has been made quite clear by Halibut. Love is the answer.

 

Therefore, I suggest Mr Halibut strolls through the hills of Iraq strumming a guitar while singing, Imagine.....

 

Problem solved.

 

No. Everybody needs to make an effort. You included. Start now.

[roosterboost 10]

No. Everybody needs to make an effort. You included. Start now.

 

So how many fascist have you killed today?

[Zamo 10]

No. Everybody needs to make an effort. You included. Start now.

 

What do you mean 'make an effort'? If everyone accepts the principles of freedom of speech and religious freedom then there is no effort required. The current tensions are caused by members of the Muslim club refusing to play by the rules and trying to elevate their religious choices to a 'more equal' status then other peoples religious choices. No.

[Harleyman 12]

Are we all still discussing this. The solution has been made quite clear by Halibut. Love is the answer.

 

Therefore, I suggest Mr Halibut strolls through the hills of Iraq strumming a guitar while singing, Imagine.....

 

Problem solved.

 

Or if ISIS catch him singing ..... I'm losing my head over you