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[bowie1867]

Just a thought re the thread on fox hunting where bloodhounds chase said fox and rip it apart, are foxes considered vermin like rats?

Terriers hunt/chase rats and quite often rip em apart, or shake them to death while clamped in jaws with sharp teeth.

Same ball park different victim? Is it cruel and inhumane to kill rats this way? Or are rats getting bolder like foxes and taking humans for granted like entering properties and approaching babies in baby bouncers etc?

[RonJeremy]

Just a thought re the thread on fox hunting where bloodhounds chase said fox and rip it apart, are foxes considered vermin like rats?

Terriers hunt/chase rats and quite often rip em apart, or shake them to death while clamped in jaws with sharp teeth.

Same ball park different victim? Is it cruel and inhumane to kill rats this way? Or are rats getting bolder like foxes and taking humans for granted like entering properties and approaching babies in baby bouncers etc?

 

They aren't as cute as foxy woxy, so kill away.

[Hot As Sun]

Is it cruel and inhumane to kill rats this way?

 

Yes it is. There are humane ways of killing rats.

[retep]

Yes it is. There are humane ways of killing rats.

 

Have you told the fox?

[biotechpete]

I guses the terrier is a better way than a slow warfrin death.

[taxman]

Have you told the fox?

 

The fox wouldn't understand.....it's an animal

[RonJeremy]

Yes it is. There are humane ways of killing rats.

 

This should be interesting... go on

[mickey finn]

Yes it is. There are humane ways of killing rats.

 

But not as much fun.

[aliceBB]

This should be interesting... go on

 

They can (I think) be trapped and gassed, but I am not sure how humane that is, either.

Edited December 30, 2014 by aliceBB

[JOHN HABS]

Think its a shame that Fox Hunting is still allowed and people do it.

The Fox is a beautiful looking creature and is entitled to a life same as we humans.

Those that go in for Fox Hunting, ought to be in a role reversal situation whereas they become the hunted and are chased by a pack of angry foxes !

 

Rats are the only vermin that I have no sympathy for when it comes to killing them.......

having said that, I've never killed one myself but seen one or two being killed.

 

A company I used to work for back in the 70's, had a dept where a couple of blokes worked melting pots....ladling molten metal into moulds, there use to be rats running about, if the blokes saw them and were able to catch them, they would clout the rat with a shovel then whilst it was still alive ( but dazed ) chuck it in the melting pot.

[Obelix]

Yes it is. There are humane ways of killing rats.

 

In answer to the original poster, foxes are considered vermin.

 

As for rats, a decent ratting terrier will grab them and shake - rats neck is broken instantly and it's as humane a way as possible to kill them. It's generally uneconomic to shoot them with a firearm as you need a lot of ammunition as there are usually hundreds of them. You can use an air rifle but a dog is quicker, more efficient and does a better job than an air rifle (I've shot a lot of rats and their brains are so small that an instant kill is quite tricky compared to a rabbit for example - it's perfectly possible to miss and require a second shot to dispatch a wounded rat)

 

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They can (I think) be trapped and gassed, but I am not sure how humane that is, either.

 

It's not. If you are after rats in burrows then gassing is a bad way to do it and there is a lot of suffering. Ferrets can work, or dig them out and let a terrier loose.

 

Despite what some people may think, the best way of humanely dispatching anything from a rat to a deer is to hunt it down and put a high speed bullet in it;s brain - they won't even know what happened.

 

Regrettably that's not permitted for deer - it has to be a heart shot so the deer does survive for a few moments after the shot but the consequences of missing a head shot and wounding a deer - which will move off a lot faster than man can chase it is not good either.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Obelix

[tzijlstra]

Foxes might technically not be vermin, but they certainly aren't cute. living near a new nature reserve in the Netherlands with a new local ban on fox hunting in that reserve, the fox population boomed and our village got overrun by them. seeing twenty mauled chickens with only one missing, cats bitten to death and left by the roadside to bleed dry, dead birds everywhere... you quickly realise that a fox is a killer, not a hunter.