Public spending cuts - SYPTE

[Waco Kid 10]

Good.

Are they still giving whole departments the day off to raise money for charity whist being paid from tax? Are they still doing full day courses on the complexity of windows 7? Are they still allowing people to come in at 7:30 and surf the web all morning until their line manager arrives and then leave at 3pm?

 

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[onenerveleft 10]

No.

 

 

Spot the returning troll

 

How is yorcard coming along after over ten years and millions of pounds? Still nowhere?

 

Still shelling out £4k a week on a consultant?

 

Spot the employee

 

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Have you stopped beating your wife?

 

Do you want the videos? Sadly this site doesnt embed videos but i do have proof of what i said.

 

Root and branch review is needed and fixed term contracts need to come in ASAP. Its too many people who have it too easy and have been their too long (because its so easy).

 

Finally I would point out public transport usage is lower in PTE areas than in non PTE areas.

Edited December 28, 2014 by onenerveleft

[CheekyBandit 10]

How about ditching the pointless tram-train trial which seems to get delay after delay. It is Sheffield's version of the Cambridgeshire Misguided Busway.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

How about ditching the pointless tram-train trial which seems to get delay after delay. It is Sheffield's version of the Cambridgeshire Misguided Busway.

 

 

Please explain how ditching the government paid for tram-train experiment will save SYPTE money.

Unlike CGB the Tram-train to Parkgate is not a complete project it is an experiment-an experiment to evaluate the potential of running passenger vehicles on heavy rail and urban tram systems.

 

The trams are to be delivered next autumn-on time as the current ones are 25 years old.

Network Rail have indicated that there will be delays in all current projects involving electrification and signalling.

Great Western, North West, Trans Pennine and MML are all live projects which are vastly more important than Tram-train.

 

 

If it fails then thank HMG for our free brand new trams.

 

All this has nothing to do with current SYPTE funding.

[CheekyBandit 10]

Please explain how ditching the government paid for tram-train experiment will save SYPTE money.

 

By ditching the whole project will save the SYPTE the money they would spend promoting how wonderful the scheme is when in reality it will be a white elephant. It is already beginning to look a lot like the misguided busway. A permanent heavy rail station at Parkgate would do exactly the same job.

 

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Good.

 

Ive never seen such inefficiency and wastefulness.

 

Frankly its full of people over paid and under productive.

 

You're not wrong there - just waited over an hour at Commonside (stop 37020412) for a 95 into town - the 0910, 0930, 0950 departures all advertised as running and no disruptions to the service according to reports up to 10:03. Yet all failed to turn up. A phone call to them got answered after about 20 minutes then they cut me off after about 30 seconds where they were supposedly tracking a service in 8 minutes, which given the time I spoke to someone was 09:42 would have been consistent with the 09:50.

[dosxuk 10]

By ditching the whole project will save the SYPTE the money they would spend promoting how wonderful the scheme is when in reality it will be a white elephant. It is already beginning to look a lot like the misguided busway. A permanent heavy rail station at Parkgate would do exactly the same job.

 

But that station would also require promoting to say how wonderful the scheme is when in reality it will be a white elephant.

 

The primary reason the tram-train is going to parkgate is because it can turn around there and wait for it's next service without blocking the route through Rotherham. They could have just built a siding somewhere down the line from Rotherham Central, but by putting it at parkgate, with a platform, it adds value to the project.

 

The money being spent on the tram-train was going to be spent somewhere in England, we should be happy that for once we're getting some extra Government funding. Or would you rather they'd sent the extra trams to Manchester?

[jimmy1975 10]

By ditching the whole project will save the SYPTE the money they would spend promoting how wonderful the scheme is when in reality it will be a white elephant. It is already beginning to look a lot like the misguided busway. A permanent heavy rail station at Parkgate would do exactly the same job.

 

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You're not wrong there - just waited over an hour at Commonside (stop 37020412) for a 95 into town - the 0910, 0930, 0950 departures all advertised as running and no disruptions to the service according to reports up to 10:03. Yet all failed to turn up. A phone call to them got answered after about 20 minutes then they cut me off after about 30 seconds where they were supposedly tracking a service in 8 minutes, which given the time I spoke to someone was 09:42 would have been consistent with the 09:50.

 

95 not running.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

A permanent heavy rail station at Parkgate would do exactly the same job.

How is a Parkgate railway station going to meet the aims of a government research project on tram-trains?

 

There is no experimental value in building a mainline station at Parkgate.

There is no commercial or social reason for one.

The Government would not provide the money to build one.

A station to serve the people of Parkgate would not be on this line and would not be connected to Rotherham station.

 

The Cambridge concrete bus was designed to link Huntingdon, St Neot's and the northern villages with Cambridge city centre. Busways are not new and it was not an experiment and may not be the best solution- the tram train is another possible solution- it may work, it may not but at least this time it will be a government paid research project.

 

The tram-train is new to the UK and has the potential to connect many semi-urban communities without the expense of heavy rail. To this end the Government has already spent millions on the new trams and research.

In any research project lessons will be learnt. Whether Parkgate to Sheffield becomes a permanent feature is very much in doubt as will be the electrification and the new platforms at Rotherham Central.

 

If it is successful many lines could be converted and other freight lines could used for passengers with links to city centres at a fraction of the cost of present UK rail systems.

 

That is why the government is paying for it.

[butlers 261]

Not everyone is on smartphones,and Sheffield is the 3rd largest city population in England,is it beyond them not to have a single person on the helpdesk at the interchange on a Sunday

[CheekyBandit 10]

How is a Parkgate railway station going to meet the aims of a government research project on tram-trains?

 

There is no experimental value in building a mainline station at Parkgate.

There is no commercial or social reason for one.

 

There is even less social or commercial value in installing OLE on a single track line (which would most likely have to be doubled), altering part of the platform to be suitable for trams and making the junction south of Rotherham station grade-separated to avoid conflicts between trams heading towards Sheffield and heavy rail traffic approaching the station from the south - all of which is going to be more expensive than sticking two platforms up for existing rolling stock. And if the experiment is a complete failure, the OLE would then have to be ripped up.

 

A station to serve the people of Parkgate would not be on this line and would not be connected to Rotherham station.

 

http://bit.ly/13Db5fY - the railway line on the south eastern edge is very much connected to Rotherham station.

 

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Not everyone is on smartphones,and Sheffield is the 3rd largest city population in England,is it beyond them not to have a single person on the helpdesk at the interchange on a Sunday

 

And the information given by my smartphone told me that the 95 was running perfectly this morning yet three services failed to turn up

[haddy 10]

Do away with the subsidiary given to the oaps for their free passes and make then pay minimum 60 % of the full price and for other groups too. This is one of the biggest drains on the money

[dosxuk 10]

There is even less social or commercial value in installing OLE on a single track line (which would most likely have to be doubled),

 

AFAIK, the plan is to install 25kV compatible OHLE structures, which will be initially energised at 750V for the tram trains. The OHLE will subsequently be switched over to 25kV when the MML eventually electrification reaches Rotherham (the tram-trains themselves will be dual voltage from day 1).

 

altering part of the platform to be suitable for trams and making the junction south of Rotherham station grade-separated to avoid conflicts between trams heading towards Sheffield and heavy rail traffic approaching the station from the south

 

There are no plans for grade seperation of the two routes to the south of Rotherham Central.

 

- all of which is going to be more expensive than sticking two platforms up for existing rolling stock. And if the experiment is a complete failure, the OLE would then have to be ripped up.

 

The OHLE won't be ripped up, it would be mothballed. It's only more expensive when you try to justify the tram-train as a single project for South Yorkshire. When seen in the context of a national experiment which could potentially save millions of pounds in rolling stock and infrastructure costs in the future, it's a simple, small, R&D cost, which we ultimately benefit from.