New LED street lights

[Annie Bynnol 611]

I can read a book in my front room quite easily with the light pollution tyhat comes in through the window from the LED street light ourside it.

 

I provide a link to one paper - there are many others out there if you could be bothered to look - I have provided evidence.

 

The paper I linked to suggested that LED lighting can emit frequencies which damage the retina.

My circadian rhythm (and whole sleeping pattern) has been disrupted since these lights were introduced - not other factors in my life have changed (apart from my age) - is that not enough evidence?

 

I fail to see how by providing evidence I have contributed 'bad science'.

 

A good example of "bad science" is when the commentator fails to link cause and effect.

The cause is the type/intensity of one of the new types of LED street lighting and the effects is an increase circadian rhythm disruption disorders.

To establish this you have to show that there has been an increase in light level or that the change in frequency has a measurable impact on CR.

Not one piece of evidence says that changes to light level at such low intensities over the range found on residential streets has any effect. At these levels it is more an off/on effect (as has been shown, the difference between light levels at dawn is in the tens of thousands and on residential streets between 2 and 15)

 

OR

 

The cause is LED street lighting- the effect is damaging the eye.

You have to establish LED do damage eye cells AND at such low intensities AND pass through glass and curtains unchanged AND over and above the light emitted by the TV, the computer screen, the fish tank light, the incandescent bulb, the fluorescent lights, the halogen spots, the mobile phone etc AND over the much greater distance involved.

 

Quoting bits without understanding is like a Glaswegian pretending to be a Parisian- its blindingly obvious unless you close the curtains.

[Agent Orange 11]

Really - really?

 

Wow - Well you are the lucky one...

 

I must be more susceptible to the LED lights - but hold on - how do you know your retinas aren't damaged?

 

Yes, really. No luck about it, really.

[Guest]

I provide a link to one paper - there are many others out there if you could be bothered to look - I have provided evidence.

 

I take it you've been to the doctors about your sleeping patterns being disrupted? Also to an opticians who would be able to see any damage happening to your retina? I take it the doctor then refered you to a specialist who said the LED lighting was responsible for all this?

 

Incidentally how do you think the wrong sort of LED lighting was fitted? It's not like they go to ebay and accidentally buy the wrong LEDs? You can't just fit any sort of LED to any streetlight.

[chipspice 10]

Try living with one a few feet from your front window.

 

Like having a permanent full moon outside

 

absolutely agree!! having to get black out blinds just so i can sleep

[Annie Bynnol 611]

If it as bright as a full Moon outside then you really do need to make a complaint as that light level is far below the safety level recommended by the police:

 

0.27–1.0 lux Full moon on a clear night

3.4 lux Dark limit of civil twilight under a clear sky

5 lux Police recommend for safe residential streets.

2-15 lux residential road lighting.

 

source

 

Class and Quality of Street Lighting, Class and Quality of Street Lighting, Transport Research Laboratory, UK, 28 June 2012

and IPL for ACPO

Edited November 17, 2014 by Annie Bynnol

[Guest]

absolutely agree!! having to get black out blinds just so i can sleep

 

And? You people make out as if before LED streetlights no-one ever had a streetlight right outside their window. As if it's some new thing that has happened in the world.

 

I used to have a standard orange streetlamp right outside my bedroom window. I bought blackout curtain linings. Oddly enough I didn't feel the need to moan about it on a forum.

[chipspice 10]

And? You people make out as if before LED streetlights no-one ever had a streetlight right outside their window. As if it's some new thing that has happened in the world.

 

I used to have a standard orange streetlamp right outside my bedroom window. I bought blackout curtain linings. Oddly enough I didn't feel the need to moan about it on a forum.

 

And? the street light was near the kerb before. when they put the new lights in they put it right in front of my wall. the orange lights were never that bright, my previous house had one right outside and i had no issue with it.

 

i was agreeing with the other people who have the same issue. clearly you feel the need to go on forums and moan about people who have a collective issue.

[scargill 10]

Thanks for your insight Alexsander

As a cyclist, I've not experienced that. Perhaps you have an eye condition that makes it difficult for you to adjust to changes in light level, or causes you to be easily dazzled. IMO, the light provided by these new street lamps is more evenly spread and of higher quality.

 

You may notice an apparently brighter patch under a street lamp when the road is wet, but that's more the result of the proximity to the light source than the level of illumination at that point. It's due to the angle of reflection.QUOTE]

 

BUT

having cycled the streets of Sheffield for over 40 years experiencing no issues, I can only say it is either miss spaced lighting or the new LED lighting has caused an eye defect, solicitor here I come.

Edited November 18, 2014 by scargill

[walkertelecoms 16]

We've just had our avenue (T bone) done with the LED's and the whole area is now virtually in complete darkness, apart from a 5 meter circle under each one. Rubbish.

[supersonic 11]

The 5 lux recommended minimum - (or is it 2-15 lux?) Is this an average illuminence, in the darkest spots?

[Guest]

having cycled the streets of Sheffield for over 40 years experiencing no issues, I can only say it is either miss spaced lighting or the new LED lighting has caused an eye defect, solicitor here I come.

 

Good luck proving that.....definitely nothing to do with getting older or anything else which introduces any number of eye conditions? But definitely must be the LED lights or dark patches.

 

I give up on some of the people in this thread I really do. So bye all it hasn't been good knowing you.

[JayG 10]

Just in case this thread has inspired anyone to report street lights of any vintage which aren't working (or have been on 24/7 for months) don't bother trying the official sheffield.gov.uk website - yesterday it let me fill in all my personal details before encountering a 'next' button which clicked but did nothing, and today it can't even manage to 'find address' from my postcode.

 

A coincidence no doubt, and nothing to do with the number of street lights currently half-completed, not working, or working 24/7!