lines 10 #361 Posted November 15, 2014 I don't need anyone's permission to decide what you are. So your opinion counts for what? How do most people on here consider you, LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bounce 10 #362 Posted November 15, 2014 Here: What is here? Provide a link or reference along with the quote. Who needs grammar lessons? You do As shown numerous times, there were protests about the films! As proved numerous times Jodha Akbar was a super hit in India. This far outweighs any small protests. The protests were by Rajputs who can be Hindu or Muslim specifically related to the Rajput character of Jodha. You keep bringing Christianity into it!!! Then use it to condone Islamic actions! Nonsense! You brought up Islam and in the process of shooting down your arguments I brought up Christianity which you feel the need to defend. Proving that you're Islamophobic. Again comparing to Christianity, basic fact is an Islamic army invaded Spain (you introduced Spain in relation to the British invading Pakistan, to which all i'd said was Pakistan didn't even exist at the time!), but you then went off claiming they never hurt anyone, later changing it too being about religious conversion, which was nothing to do with anybodies original point! You keep attempting to demonise Islam and Islamic history. The example of Spain was one of many examples given in response to this. Britain invaded the region now known as Pakistan and divided it up. You are in denial about historical facts! So you now admit that Islamic armies did in fact crusade in Africa? Of course Muslim armies went to North Africa. I asked you which Muslim army went to East Africa and you replied with North Africa. Then claimed they went to North Africa through East Africa which is nonsense again. I used that as an example because they claim that these kidnapped young girls willingly converted to Islam before being married off to Muslim men. As an example of non lethal force conversion still happening in Africa today! A lot of very nasty things are happening in Africa today. Many of these things are committed by non Muslims but you only like to bring it up when Muslims are involved. I've never denied it, yes as far as I know no army went to Indonesia, believe i've said that explicitly before! No, your insults don't wash kid, they've read your rants and disown you as a nut job! which destroys your original argument completely, that Muslim countries were non Muslim before being invaded. This imaginary Indonesian mates rubbish is your annoyance at losing the debate. Tell these imaginary mates to join the discussion seeing as they're reading it but they can't because they don't exist. Shall I start calling you stupid, i'm already coming down to your pathetic level which actually annoys me, but you keep diverting from the original subject to try and bamboozle. You are the one who diverted from the original subject scroll up to find out. One liners are all you deserve with your rants, a single point expanded to 20... Get an education, preferably a non religious, non biased one which condones everything but using tit for tat ideals! one liners are all you are capable of I guess that's why you call yourself lines I'm surprised you can even spell the word education but clearly you have no idea what it means. I haven't defended the crusades in Spain, you're just denying that Islam has a bloody past, in Spain, in Africa, in Israel and in India! Muslim armies invaded other lands I'm not denying it and never have. The fact is though that you only like to talk about Islamic history in an attempt to demonise Muslims. Israel and India have a bloody present in which Muslims are the victims but you won't talk about that will you. You won't talk about the just rule of Muslims in Spain India or Jersulam Al Qurtz. You're constantly focused on anything negative you can attribute to Muslims while trying to defend the bloody history of others. Again, Pakistan didn't exist and I provided evidence of when an Islamic army invaded India. When the British invaded India they were the invading army and the region of Pakistan was inhabited by native Indian Muslims who then became Pakistani. A religious book is not proof of anything either! There is no proof of a creator! the Big Bang, the embryonic cycle, the orbit of the planets, the moons light being reflected light, the sweet and salty barrier of the seas are some of many Scientific facts mentioned in the Quran. So you think the universe and all planets and life within is not proof that a greater power exists. How did it come into being then? Yeah ask sinz about that one and how he tried to claim i'm homophobic, never mind all the things you've called me! Who is sinz? But you keep mentioning them but can't point any out! Sinz Again, refer to your bum chum sinz... Your response to everything is bum chum. You are truly an idiot of the highest degree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lines 10 #363 Posted November 15, 2014 What is here? Provide a link or reference along with the quote. It was provided the first time, look back. Nonsense! You brought up Islam and in the process of shooting down your arguments I brought up Christianity which you feel the need to defend. Proving that you're Islamophobic. Nah, you brought them both in! You keep attempting to demonise Islam and Islamic history. The example of Spain was one of many examples given in response to this. Britain invaded the region now known as Pakistan and divided it up. You are in denial about historical facts! Nope, no problem with Islam, just your blinkered view of selective history! Of course Muslim armies went to North Africa. I asked you which Muslim army went to East Africa and you replied with North Africa. Then claimed they went to North Africa through East Africa which is nonsense again. At last he admits it! His selective argument defeated! A lot of very nasty things are happening in Africa today. Many of these things are committed by non Muslims but you only like to bring it up when Muslims are involved. No, start a thread on it i'll be straight! The responses about Islam and Africa are direct responses to your waffle! which destroys your original argument completely, that Muslim countries were non Muslim before being invaded. I never denied it, you state I did, thats a different thing entirely! Yeah like they want to talk to you! See how you formulate your arguments, notice the word argument and not debate! You are the one who diverted from the original subject scroll up to find out. You did, you scroll up, oh that's right you already asked for a reference for you could have scrolled up to find! one liners are all you are capable of I guess that's why you call yourself lines I'm surprised you can even spell the word education but clearly you have no idea what it means. Just read that grammar! I'd explain lines to you but... Muslim armies invaded other lands I'm not denying it and never have. The fact is though that you only like to talk about Islamic history in an attempt to demonise Muslims. Israel and India have a bloody present in which Muslims are the victims but you won't talk about that will you. You won't talk about the just rule of Muslims in Spain India or Jersulam Al Qurtz. You're constantly focused on anything negative you can attribute to Muslims while trying to defend the bloody history of others. I'm not demonising Islam, you brought everybody else in as justification to support your denial! When the British invaded India they were the invading army and the region of Pakistan was inhabited by native Indian Muslims who then became Pakistani. Bad grammar again! But hey full circle we're back to the Muslim conquests of India and how Muslims were occupying India when the British invaded and later created Pakistan, a place which didn't exist before!!! Hence all this rubbish about Africa, Indonesia and Spain... the Big Bang, the embryonic cycle, the orbit of the planets, the moons light being reflected light, the sweet and salty barrier of the seas are some of many Scientific facts mentioned in the Quran. So you think the universe and all planets and life within is not proof that a greater power exists. How did it come into being then? To me the Quran, Bible, Torah, etc are all just story books, personally I prefer the Greek myths better and at least they knew they were just stories / fables. Who is sinz? Sinz Your response to everything is bum chum. You are truly an idiot of the highest degree. sinz is your bum chum and the one who made it soooo funny. LOL at idiot of highest degree! You're funny Haven't you noticed that you have phased me one iota, only made me laugh at your childish squirming! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Stan Tamudo 10 #364 Posted November 15, 2014 So your opinion counts for what? How do most people on here consider you, LOL He's well respected is H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lines 10 #365 Posted November 15, 2014 He's well respected is H. Sarcasm as usual Stan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Stan Tamudo 10 #366 Posted November 15, 2014 Sarcasm as usual Stan... You know me love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mafya 240 #367 Posted November 15, 2014 It was provided the first time, look back. Nah, you brought them both in! Nope, no problem with Islam, just your blinkered view of selective history! At last he admits it! His selective argument defeated! No, start a thread on it i'll be straight! The responses about Islam and Africa are direct responses to your waffle! I never denied it, you state I did, thats a different thing entirely! Yeah like they want to talk to you! See how you formulate your arguments, notice the word argument and not debate! You did, you scroll up, oh that's right you already asked for a reference for you could have scrolled up to find! Just read that grammar! I'd explain lines to you but... I'm not demonising Islam, you brought everybody else in as justification to support your denial! Bad grammar again! But hey full circle we're back to the Muslim conquests of India and how Muslims were occupying India when the British invaded and later created Pakistan, a place which didn't exist before!!! Hence all this rubbish about Africa, Indonesia and Spain... To me the Quran, Bible, Torah, etc are all just story books, personally I prefer the Greek myths better and at least they knew they were just stories / fables. sinz is your bum chum and the one who made it soooo funny. LOL at idiot of highest degree! You're funny Haven't you noticed that you have phased me one iota, only made me laugh at your childish squirming! Bounce has bounced you all over on this one I'm afraid....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lines 10 #368 Posted November 15, 2014 Bounce has bounced you all over on this one I'm afraid....... Why are you afraid? Are you one of his bum chums too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bounce 10 #369 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) It was provided the first time, look back. You have failed to provide a quote with a link or reference. The paragraph you've quoted could be from anywhere and is therefore meaningless! Nah, you brought them both in! Post 273 is the first time you typed to me and immediately you brought Islam into it. Before that I was not even engaged in discussion with you. Nope, no problem with Islam, just your blinkered view of selective history! Do you mean your blinkered view of history in which the British Empire went to India to defend against Islam and North Africa counts as East Africa At last he admits it! His selective argument defeated! Laughable how you are admitting defeat in your own posts and then trying to attribute it to me. No, start a thread on it i'll be straight! That made a lot of sense. Another one of your nonsensical sentences lol The responses about Islam and Africa are direct responses to your waffle! Your responses about Islam in Africa are waffle I never denied it, you state I did, thats a different thing entirely! Ignoring the main point that you claimed Muslim countries were all invaded at some point in history by Muslim armies. You initially stated that you didn't know and would ask your mates and get back to me lol Yeah like they want to talk to you! See how you formulate your arguments, notice the word argument and not debate! I'm also not interested in talking to your imaginary friends. The fact is you can't debate which is why you have lost this one. You did, you scroll up, oh that's right you already asked for a reference for you could have scrolled up to find! So you post a random paragraph and expect me and others to scroll up for a link instead of posting it yourself? Again your sentence makes no sense lol Just read that grammar! I'd explain lines to you but... Yes I'm still reading your 'gramma'. Lines means you are only capable of one line responses during debates. I'm not demonising Islam, you brought everybody else in as justification to support your denial! you started of demonising Islam which has already been proven see post 273. My point about the British Empire was in response to a claim that whites don't commit crime in Pakistan. Bad grammar again! But hey full circle we're back to the Muslim conquests of India and how Muslims were occupying India when the British invaded and later created Pakistan, a place which didn't exist before!!! Hence all this rubbish about Africa, Indonesia and Spain... You clearly have problems constructing coherent sentences which has been demonstrated to you many times. No, the Muslims in India at the time of the British Invasion were Indian Muslims and not an occupying army! They became Pakistani after the division by the British. To me the Quran, Bible, Torah, etc are all just story books, personally I prefer the Greek myths better and at least they knew they were just stories / fables. So what makes you so sure Darwin was right when he himself admitted he could be wrong. Also explain how Evolution Theory disproves the existence of a creator? sinz is your bum chum and the one who made it soooo funny. LOL at idiot of highest degree! You're funny Haven't you noticed that you have phased me one iota, only made me laugh at your childish squirming! It's Skinz not sinz and I don't know the poster so not sure why you keep going on about him in every post? Have you got some weird obsession with him? Why do you think I'm still replying to your rubbish? I like showing you up for the idiot you are. Yes I have noticed that I've phased you one iota lol Edited November 16, 2014 by Bounce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carmen. 14 #370 Posted November 16, 2014 Well, what attitude, what nastiness. I wonder if you gentlemen would be so outspoken were you to be actual face to face. Read it back to yourselves, just a suggestion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lines 10 #371 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Post 273 is the first time you typed to me and immediately you brought Islam into it. Before that I was not even engaged in discussion with you. Your reference to an arbitrary line was about giving India back to the Hindus after the Muslim conquest. Here's the whole post... Whites are not a large ethnic group in Pakistan but when the British were there they took the country over for themselves and then drew a line through the map without any care or consideration for the consequences, causing a conflict which still continues today. Wasn't this to stop Islamic subjugation of India by Islam? As prompted earlier in the thread, I started to read up on India's history. Eye opening to say the least! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_on_the_Indian_subcontinent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_rulers_in_South_Asia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India#Partition_of_India There's a lot of Islamic conquering and seizing of others lands, including Afghanistan! Edited November 16, 2014 by lines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bounce 10 #372 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Your reference to an arbitrary line was about giving India back to the Hindus after the Muslim conquest. Here's the whole post... Wasn't this to stop Islamic subjugation of India by Islam? As prompted earlier in the thread, I started to read up on India's history. Eye opening to say the least! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_on_the_Indian_subcontinent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_rulers_in_South_Asia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India#Partition_of_India There's a lot of Islamic conquering and seizing of others lands, including Afghanistan! What utter nonsense! The British went to India for imperialist economic reasons. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. In fact the Mughal Empire was in demise when the British arrived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire Referencing wikipedia is banned in Universities because it is not a credible source but seeing as you insist on using it, I will too. It's about time you read up on India's history properly instead of inventing lies about the reasons why Britain went to India! There's also a lot of non Muslim conquering and seizing of other lands, including Afghanistan but you only want to talk about Muslims? I was reading through the wikipedia links you provided and there is nothing in any of them to suggest that the British went to India to give the country back to the Hindus. I'm going to quote some passages from one of your wikipedia links which reinforces what I've been saying all along. “Over the centuries, there has been significant integration of Hindu and Muslim cultures across India and the Muslims have played a prominent role in India's economic rise and cultural influence.” “Other famous Muslims who fought for independence against the British rule: Abul Kalam Azad, Mehmud Hasan of Darul Uloom Deoband who was implicated in the famous Silk Letter Conspiracy to overthrow the British through an armed struggle, Husain Ahmed Madani, former Shaikhul Hadith of Darul Uloom Deoband, Ubaidullah Sindhi, Hakeem Ajmal Khan,Hasrat Mohani, Syed Mahmud, Professor Maulavi Barkatullah, Zakir Husain, Saifuddin Kichlu, Vakkom Abdul Khadir, Manzoor Abdul Wahab, Bahadur Shah Zafar, Hakeem Nusrat Husain, Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, Abdul Samad Khan Achakzai, Colonel Shahnawaz, M.A.Ansari, Rafi Ahmad Kidwai, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmad, Ansar Harwani, Tak Sherwani, Nawab Viqarul Mulk, Nawab Mohsinul Mulk, Mustsafa Husain, VM Ubaidullah, SR Rahim, Badaruddin Taiyabji, and Moulvi Abdul Hamid. Until 1920, Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a member of the Indian National Congress and was part of the independence struggle. Allama Muhammad Iqbal, poet and philosopher, was a strong proponent of Hindu–Muslim unity and an undivdided India perhaps until 1930.Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy was also active in the Indian National Congress in Bengal during his early political career. Muhammad Ali Jauhar and Shaukat Ali struggled for the emancipation of the Muslims in the overall Indian context, and struggled for independence alongsideMahatma Gandhi and Abdul Bari of Firangi Mahal. Until the 1930s, the Muslims of India broadly conducted their politics alongside their countrymen, in the overall context of an undivided India.” “Interestingly, in three genetic studies representing the whole of South Asian Muslims, it was found that the Muslim population was overwhelmingly similar to the local non-Muslims associated with minor but still detectable levels of gene flow from outside, primarily from Iran and Central Asia, rather than directly from the Arabian peninsula.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India#Partition_of_India This all started when you made two nonsense claims. Nonsense claim 1 that the British went to India to fight Muslim invaders and return the country to the Hindus. Nonsense claim 2 that the British never invaded Pakistan. “The British Raj extended over almost all present-day India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, with exceptions such as Goa and Pondicherry.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj Both your claims have been proved one hundred percent false. My original point still stands. White British people committed the crime of all crimes in modern day Pakistan long before any Pakistani committed a crime in Britain. Those of Pakistani and Azad Kashmiri origin who live in Britain do so as citizens of this country. Most contribute positively to British society but there will undoubtedly be a minority criminal element in every ethnicity, religion or nationality. Edited November 16, 2014 by Bounce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...