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How do you force a state with nuclear weapons to do what you want?

 

What does 'illegal' even mean unless there is backed up by the ability to force that legality onto those who dissent?

 

We have the NNPT and a policy of gradual disarmament, this is a good thing. But we haven't reached the point where we can throw away our deterrent. Just look at the behaviour of Putin. If he could, he'd remake the soviet empire and expand it until someone stopped him, with himself as ultimate ruler.

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How do you force a state with nuclear weapons to do what you want?

 

What does 'illegal' even mean unless there is backed up by the ability to force that legality onto those who dissent?

 

We have the NNPT and a policy of gradual disarmament, this is a good thing. But we haven't reached the point where we can throw away our deterrent. Just look at the behaviour of Putin. If he could, he'd remake the soviet empire and expand it until someone stopped him, with himself as ultimate ruler.

 

I don't know how you force the disarmament of nuclear weapons. I thus think they should be illegal. Any weapon that kills innocent people in their masses should be illegal and using them should be a war crime.

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War crimes only exist by agreement of the largest powers though. Which happen to be the ones with nuclear weapons.

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The nuclear deterrent is only supposed to deter nuclear war, not general armed conflict, invasion etc. Pointing to the lack of a nuclear exchange to date does not validate its effect as a deterrent either.

 

It's all elephant repellent IMO.

 

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Just look at the behaviour of Putin. If he could, he'd remake the soviet empire and expand it until someone stopped him, with himself as ultimate ruler.

 

Is that what he told you?

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I don't know how you force the disarmament of nuclear weapons. I thus think they should be illegal. Any weapon that kills innocent people in their masses should be illegal and using them should be a war crime.

 

You can't force people to disarm, they will only disarm when they have total trust that every other human doesn't want to cause them any harm, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.

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You can't force people to disarm, they will only disarm when they have total trust that every other human doesn't want to cause them any harm, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

With enough pressure it could happen. People need to realise how much power they could have over governments if they unite and take action.

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With enough pressure it could happen. People need to realise how much power they could have over governments if they unite and take action.

 

That would require everyone to agree with you, and that also isn't going to happen any time soon.

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With enough pressure it could happen. People need to realise how much power they could have over governments if they unite and take action.

 

Your assuming all people have a government that might listen to them....

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With enough pressure it could happen. People need to realise how much power they could have over governments if they unite and take action.
You mean, like Hong Kong residents over the PRC's Government? :lol:

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Is that what he told you?

 

It's what his behaviour leads me to believe.

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Who put the chemical warfare in Iraq? Answer the USA? Why to destroy Iran ! So that is acceptable. Chemical weapons supplies to a client state for mass murder. Which country lies so as to go to war? The USA! WHY? Because it is a war economy and needs war for growth, employment, and world domination.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LargeMediaHeadlineSumCentered&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

The threat of the USA using nukes is a favorite passion, just craves the opportunity, or maybe like in Vietnam it will lie to create a war.

http://www.newsweek.com/panetta-sparks-debate-over-us-nuclear-strike-north-korea-277432

 

United States and the United Kingdom have a passion for killing in foreign fields, its safer, when in Iraqi between 1990 and 2012, they killed 3.3 million people – including 750,000 children – through sanctions and wars.

The USA and UK sell weapons to the most threatened nation on earth Israeli so their military could bombarded civilians, by air, land and sea, in Gaza for 50 days. Great TV, interesting watching the suffering, maybe we need another war there as they just will not move. Don’t they understand the concept of ethnic cleansing?

 

President Dwight Eisenhower (1953-1961) warned the U.S. people against – the military/industrial complex – saying that it would destroy U.S. democracy.

So who profits from war? The military/industrial/media/corporate/academic elite, whose agenda is profit, arms, war and valuable resources, now holds power worldwide and has a stronghold on elected governments. We have witnessed this in ongoing wars, invasions, occupations and proxy wars, all allegedly in the name of “humanitarian intervention and democracy”. The policies of arms, war, domination and control of other countries and their resources, provide the agenda of war where justice, human rights and international law becomes irrelevant for those with the might. Did you know the U.N. charter bars the threat of force, well who practices threats to Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Russia, China, South America,? Answer the USA, but might overrules all international laws!

 

Noam Chomsky states: U.S. Has Been "Torturing" Iran for 60 Years, Since 1953 CIA-Led Coup http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2013/9/11/noam_chomsky_us_has_been_torturing_iran_for_60_years_since_1953_coup

 

So the UK government as a special relationship with the world primary military bully and we enjoy the spoils, just ask Blair!

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The Gov won't waste money on the NHS, when they know they will be privatising it sooner or later.Especially when they start to sign our sovereignty over to the EU in November.:suspect:

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