medusa   16 #13 Posted September 23, 2014 If you're more stubborn than him and succeed in getting him to toe the line then good on you, because that's what most of the foster carers that do this do- they just keep going longer than the dog does.  When you show the dog that you will keep going longer than they will then you're showing them that if action needs to be taken you will take it, if someone needs to intervene you will do it, and if someone needs to protect him (or the other dogs) then you'll protect them, therefore he doesn't need to do any of it.  Couple that with treats for doing the right things and you're gradually shaping his behaviour away from bad and towards good with every bit of good behaviour you buy from him with a treat, and Jenny putting him in his place is probably a good thing too, because she's backing you up.  We had a dog in for over a year and in that time he was so hard to handle we couldn't even work out whether he was neutered (it's not that easy to tell by looking on long haired dogs, you need to get close enough to have a check by hand) and he was adopted by a very shepherd savvy person to go and live on a farm where he would at least have a good life and be away from lots of people, who appeared to be the major thing that terrified him.  On arriving at his new home he was so terrified (for most people, read that as aggressive) that he attacked his new owner so badly that he needed hospital treatment even through his leather jacket, but within a month he was learning that going out for a walk with his human and the other dogs was fun, that the other dogs and his owner would look after him and tell him when he was getting out of line and suddenly he found that he didn't need to guard all of the space around him because there was nobody that he felt he had to keep away from him. Within 3 months I was sent a photo of him lying on his back to have his tummy fur groomed, which is a stunning position for a dog that scared.  It can be done- I hope that you get there with Stanley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
fabcakes   10 #14 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Medusa it's funny you should say that about jenny stanley was being very aggressive and stubborn not wanting to get off the bed and at that time june happened to be on the bed and really went for stanley and gave him a good telling off as if to say do as your told he still gets on the bed ( working progress ) but that day when june told him off he didn't go on again :hihi: and sometimes when he is being a pain and not behaving he gets a good telling off by june she looks after her mummy :love: Edited September 23, 2014 by fabcakes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
purplepeke   10 #15 Posted September 23, 2014 Credit to you fabcakes, I know you were very strict with where the pups went, it just shows none of us are perfect. Like I said total respect for what you are doing, and I hope it continues favourably. Xx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
*Peaches* Â Â 10 #16 Posted September 23, 2014 Next thing I'd ask is, is he neutered? Is your other dog neutered? It might help with the aggression if they're both given the snip if they aren't already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
fabcakes   10 #17 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Next thing I'd ask is, is he neutered? Is your other dog neutered? It might help with the aggression if they're both given the snip if they aren't already   yes they are both neutered I know it wouldn't of worked otherwise  Credit to you fabcakes, I know you were very strict with where the pups went, it just shows none of us are perfect. Like I said total respect for what you are doing, and I hope it continues favourably. Xx  thank you hun even thought they are with their loving owners they are still my babies & love to hear about them Edited September 23, 2014 by fabcakes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Teas   10 #18 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) he pinched a pizza out of my daughters hand this dinner time & I fetched it back out of his mouth  I really would advise against doing this again unless you want to risk getting bitten or giving him even more reason to be food proud; you need to be building his trust in you if you want to stop this and his fear aggression.  Set him up to succeed then reward him when he does. If he is crate trained you could crate him before you start to eat so that he doesn’t have the opportunity to steal. Give him a Kong or something else to occupy him and then reward him if/when he settles in his crate after he has finished playing with it.  Have you thought about getting professional help with him? Edited September 24, 2014 by Teas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
fabcakes   10 #19 Posted September 24, 2014 I really would advise against doing this again unless you want to risk getting bitten or giving him even more reason to be food proud; you need to be building his trust in you if you want to stop this and his fear aggression. Set him up to succeed then reward him when he does. If he is crate trained you could crate him before you start to eat so that he doesn’t have the opportunity to steal. Give him a Kong or something else to occupy him and then reward him if/when he settles in his crate after he has finished playing with it.  Have you thought about getting professional help with him?  I understand your concern but i was carful when I came to take it out of his mouth I know it sounds strange but I knew he wasn't going to bite he acts different when he is that way I seem to be doing ok at the moment having a guide dog you learn a lot about dogs & their ways & I know if i am struggling I just need to ask Ian my guide dog trainer & he will let me know ware im going wrong etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Teas   10 #20 Posted September 26, 2014 Is it ever worth the risk?  All it could take is one bite for him to realise that biting is effective, especially if you ignore the other signs that he is giving to say that he is unhappy, which is what the squealing could have meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
angel22 Â Â 10 #21 Posted September 29, 2014 How are you getting on fabcakes? xx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
fabcakes   10 #22 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) making progress I not pushing every time he went outside to get him back in was a chore but a couple of days ago he just came in ... no growling at me & his eyes wasn't as come near me & i'm going to bite you look he had a drink next to gorge again without any aggravation the others tell him off if he gets a bit much witch I allow & its keeping at bay his whole mood has changed from being aggressive all the time to just a little now he still needs a lot of work but a little progress is good progress  coming in with no fuss he still kicks off now & again but he is a lot better  Jenny keeping Stanley in check   1st time Gorge , Jenny & Stanley played together still a bit dominant but getting better   second playtime on the back garden & the good thing is June joins in   1st time they had a drink together without Stanley aggressively chasing the others away whoopee   Is it ever worth the risk?  All it could take is one bite for him to realise that biting is effective, especially if you ignore the other signs that he is giving to say that he is unhappy, which is what the squealing could have meant.  no believe me it was a submitting squeal & if I got bit then it will have been my fault but I knew he wasn't going to bite his body language wasn't showing he was going to bite I know what signs to look for & they was not aggressive signs Edited September 29, 2014 by fabcakes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Sam71 Â Â 10 #23 Posted September 29, 2014 Oh wow Fabcakes........ I was expecting a little aggression shown but not acted upon but these videos were fantastic to watch I've been following this thread to see how you got on (was gutted for you AND Stanley when he had to come back)........... keep doing whatever it is you are doing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
maryjane   11 #24 Posted September 29, 2014 echo Sam 71. was a joy to watch xx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...