ads36   217 #1225 Posted August 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said: Perhaps we have a problem with violence as well ? We definitely do.  Which is part of why we aren't allowed guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
medusa   16 #1226 Posted August 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Ridgewalk said: To us non gun toting Brits it is hard to fathom  a culture where mass shootings by lone unhinged people appear to happen quite frequently.  In other news a six year old French national has been thrown off the 10th floor of a building by a 17 year old, in the UKs most visited tourist spot, and English Rugby fans have been fighting at a rugby match in southern France.  Perhaps we have a problem with violence as well ? It wasn't just the fans fighting at the rugby match. The violence happened in synchrony with a mass brawl and punch up on the pitch too, for which half a dozen players have already received bans between 1 and 4 matches, with another one awaiting a tribunal which could result in a ban in the region of 4-6 matches. The incident resulted in 2 red cards and (I think) 4 yellows.  It has no place in our sport, or in sport in general, but in rugby it's rare. I'm more worried about the growth in knife crime though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchemist   37 #1227 Posted August 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Ridgewalk said: To us non gun toting Brits it is hard to fathom  a culture where mass shootings by lone unhinged people appear to happen quite frequently.  In other news a six year old French national has been thrown off the 10th floor of a building by a 17 year old, in the UKs most visited tourist spot, and English Rugby fans have been fighting at a rugby match in southern France.  Perhaps we have a problem with violence as well ? We do, but thankfully what we DONT have is a second amendment that allows the violence to reach such extremes. These common massacres are just the tip of the iceberg, dont forget the number of one off shootings that are just the normal routine in the land of the loon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest   #1228 Posted August 6, 2019 16 hours ago, taxman said: Trump is now blaming violent video games and the internet and claiming that the shooters were mentally ill.  No mention of gun laws. He ought to look at Japan then- pioneers of video games and yet one of the most peaceful countries in the world.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #1229 Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Mr Fisk said: He ought to look at Japan then- pioneers of video games and yet one of the most peaceful countries in the world. But then, Japan also has some of the strictest anti-gun ownership legislation on earth.  Fully agree on the sentiment all the same.  Videogames-blaming, whenever a mass shooting occurs, is an argument that must be going back to what? About 30-35 years, by now? (Doom & Mortal Kombat, beloved of the 'antis' in context, date back to '92-93). Long scientifically-investigated and disproved since, as well.  Americans are, all things considered, in all likelihood no more violent nor deranged than in any other 1st world nation. Mass casualty-producing shootings in the US are simply down to the ease of acquisition, legal or not, of high-powered, high-magazine capacity firearms.  There isn't a single European country I know, where a private individual can legally buy a semi-automatic (never mind fully automatic) rifle in 5.56, 7.62 or 7.92 calibre (Swiss reservists excluded). In the US, they just about sell them in Walmart's. Edited August 6, 2019 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Waj   0 #1230 Posted August 6, 2019 17 hours ago, taxman said: Trump is now blaming violent video games and the internet and claiming that the shooters were mentally ill.  No mention of gun laws. He is probably right. Mortal Kombat, Doom and Tomb Raider are terribly violent. Its only natural that after playing one of these "games" someone would turn postal. Ban video games. Thats the answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest   #1231 Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, L00b said: But then, Japan also has some of the strictest anti-gun ownership legislation on earth.  Fully agree on the sentiment all the same.  Videogames-blaming, whenever a mass shooting occurs, is an argument that must be going back to what? About 30-35 years, by now? (Doom & Mortal Kombat, beloved of the 'antis' in context, date back to '92-93). Long scientifically-investigated and disproved since, as well.  Americans are, all things considered, in all likelihood no more violent nor deranged than in any other 1st world nation. Mass casualty-producing shootings in the US are simply down to the ease of acquisition, legal or not, of high-powered, high-magazine capacity firearms.  There isn't a single European country I know, where a private individual can legally buy a semi-automatic (never mind fully automatic) rifle in 5.56, 7.62 or 7.92 calibre (Swiss reservists excluded). In the US, they just about sell them in Walmart's. Good post.  That is the crux of the matter- until gun laws change, America will continue to have these mass shootings.  Whether the shooter has motive or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Robin-H   11 #1232 Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Waj said: He is probably right. Mortal Kombat, Doom and Tomb Raider are terribly violent. Its only natural that after playing one of these "games" someone would turn postal. Ban video games. Thats the answer. Now this time you are being sarcastic, right!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Waj   0 #1233 Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Robin-H said: Now this time you are being sarcastic, right!? Yes. You can rest easy. That was 100% sarcasm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #1234 Posted June 1, 2020 WOW its been one weekend in the US https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1  82 shot 19 killed  in one city  I posted it in here as its definitely a MASS shooting, and didnt want to tar the memory of George Floyd posting it in his thread, however you look at it, these shootings are wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #1235 Posted June 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, melthebell said: WOW its been one weekend in the US https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1  82 shot 19 killed  in one city  I posted it in here as its definitely a MASS shooting, and didnt want to tar the memory of George Floyd posting it in his thread, however you look at it, these shootings are wrong I think Chicago have fairly strict (for the US) gun laws. But I bet if checked the numbers on any given weekend in May or June last hear you'd find one with similar numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #1236 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: I think Chicago have fairly strict (for the US) gun laws. But I bet if checked the numbers on any given weekend in May or June last hear you'd find one with similar numbers. Reading its wiki page its close but no cigar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago  although it doesnt list 2019  2016 - 769 murders (92 in one month) 2017 - 653 2018 - 561  this says 492 in 2019 https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/1/1/21045319/chicago-2019-crime-stats-decrease-murders-shootings-gun-violence-police-department-lightfoot  those are per year, feel free to find out how many in a single weekend  Although i found the gun possession sentence bit interesting Quote Chicago has been criticized for comparatively light sentencing guidelines for those found illegally in possession of a firearm. Most people convicted of illegal gun possession receive the minimum sentence, one year, a Chicago Sun-Times analysis found, and serve less than half of the sentence because of time for good behavior and pre-trial confinement. The minimum sentence for felons found in possession of a firearm is two years. Those charged with simple gun possession had an average of four prior arrests. Those charged with gun possession by a felon had an average of ten prior arrests Edited June 1, 2020 by melthebell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...