Ebola - God cured me!

[redwhine 10]

I agree.. ,it certainly isn't a simple as applying a label. I need to do some further research.

 

Do you have any recommendations?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

 

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It is also worthy to note that fascism existed in Italy before Germany, and didn't have the same brutality or virulent anti-semitism. While Catholic Italians may not have been enamoured by the Jews, it certainly never crossed their minds to put them into camps.

 

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mussolini_roman_catholic.htm

[Ryedo40 10]

I shall expand, because I wouldn't argue that he wasn't a Christian either. Hitler's religious views are obscure, contradictory, and more than that - endlessly tied to his politics. Was it true religious belief or pragmatic political posture? Who knows.

 

Probably both. What is Christian? Ask Christians around the world and you'll get different answers. Their values vastly differ - from the benign and tolerant to the oppressive, intolerant, controlling and bigoted. And most seem to justify their varied views - progressive, liberal or conservative - Biblically/theologically. But all, no matter how different, view themselves as Christian. Not all agree with the many religious institutions representing Christianity too. And for a lot of Christians, the institutionalised Church isn't the true Church at all. The true Church is the people who are "called to God"(Hitler also wanted the volk(people) to be the Church).

 

Hitler's religious views were not at all obscure. He often stated he was a Catholic and Christian, and made clear his beliefs and intentions. His art was usually religiously themed - even painting Mary with a white, blonde haired blue-eyed Jesus - and, even in his private conversations, was adamant that Jesus must have been Aryan.

 

“Christ was an Aryan. But Paul used his teachings to mobilize the underworld and organize a proto-bolshevism. With its breakdown, the beautiful clarity of the ancient world was lost.” - Table-Talk

 

"Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church." - Hitler, 1936

 

To get a grasp of Hitler and the Nazi regime, you have to take into account the climate decades before. Not only was there mass paranoia across Europe where Christians believed the Bolshevists were plotting to cause the collapse Christian civilisation, but there was all the misery and poverty caused because of WW1. Christians were looking for a scape-goat, someone to blame for all the problems occurring in society. Their fingers pointed towards their traditional scape-goat, the Jew. Hitler lived in and was influenced by that environment.

 

Hitler blamed Jews and liberal/progressive Christians for corrupting Christianity, thereby corrupting its civilisation and values. He saw it all as part of the Bolshevist plot.

 

As I pointed out above, Christianity isn't a uniform religion and Hitler identified that as one of its weaknesses. This is partly why he wanted a uniform Christianity: one that was firm in it convictions, especially against the Jew, and one that could withstand scrutiny, criticism and other philosophies in the modern world.

 

His views on racial-mixing and blood sin didn't originate from any pagan belief(he was quite anti the pagan movement in Germany). Racial-mixing and blood sin, especially back then, had long been concerns held by Christians and Hitler was no different. But most of his views concerning race, and the "degeneration" caused by racial mixing, as well as the Aryan Jesus, are traced back to the Catholic Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain - also a Christian and friend of Hitler.

 

He was consistent throughout expressing his beliefs in God. Most of his associates, including those who influenced him, were also Christian. It doesn't ring true to say Hitler wasn't a Christian himself.

 

At most I'd say he wasn't your typical mainstream Christian that we'd recognise - although, today, he'd probably find himself at home in some areas of the US.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Ryedo40

[kingdom 10]

Do you have to believe that your god can't prevent bad things happening or just doesn't care?

 

 

God foretold that bad things would happen :

 

Revelation 11:18:

 

"But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to BRING TO RUIN THOSE RUINING THE EARTH "

 

notice man would be ruining the earth ,if God stopped man doing this before it happened how could this scripture be fullfilled ?

 

here we are and man is ruining the earth destroying the enviroment ,corrupting it through and through , nobody lives in peace and the earth is a place of turmoil.

 

But notice the scripture mentions an appointed time , time for what ?

[perplexed 10]

God foretold that bad things would happen :

 

Revelation 11:18:

 

"But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to BRING TO RUIN THOSE RUINING THE EARTH "

 

notice man would be ruining the earth ,if God stopped man doing this before it happened how could this scripture be fullfilled ?

 

here we are and man is ruining the earth destroying the enviroment ,corrupting it through and through , nobody lives in peace and the earth is a place of turmoil.

 

But notice the scripture mentions an appointed time , time for what ?

 

God foretold that bad things would happen? That's a bit of a convenient catch-all. Also, somewhat conveniently (as the above all came from the hand of ordinary, mortal men), they're a bit vague on timings aren't they?

[SnailyBoy 10]

God foretold that bad things would happen :

 

Revelation 11:18:

 

"But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to BRING TO RUIN THOSE RUINING THE EARTH "

 

notice man would be ruining the earth ,if God stopped man doing this before it happened how could this scripture be fullfilled ?

 

here we are and man is ruining the earth destroying the enviroment ,corrupting it through and through , nobody lives in peace and the earth is a place of turmoil.

 

But notice the scripture mentions an appointed time , time for what ?

 

Well, so did REM..

 

 

That's great, it starts with an earthquake

Birds and snakes, an aeroplane, and Lenny Bruce is not afraid

 

Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn

World serves its own needs, don't misserve your own needs

Feed it up a knock, speed, grunt, no, strength

The ladder starts to clatter with a fear of height, down, height

Wire in a fire, represent the seven games

And a government for hire and a combat site

Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the Furies breathing down your neck

 

Team by team, reporters baffled, trumped, tethered, cropped

Look at that low plane, fine, then

Uh-oh, overflow, population, common group

But it'll do, save yourself, serve yourself

World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed

Tell me with the Rapture and the reverent in the right, right

You vitriolic, patriotic, slam fight, bright light

Feeling pretty psyched

 

It's the end of the world as we know it

It's the end of the world as we know it

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

[fatrajah 10]

How about Bad Moon Rising by Creedence Clearwater Revival? Also In The Year 2525 by Zager & Evans. Both in the charts in 1969. According to these songs we're all doomed.

Edited June 6, 2015 by fatrajah

[carosio 186]

God foretold that bad things would happen :

 

Revelation 11:18:

 

"But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to BRING TO RUIN THOSE RUINING THE EARTH "

 

here we are and man is ruining the earth destroying the enviroment ,

But notice the scripture mentions an appointed time , time for what ?

 

It's accepted by scholars that the author of Revelation was writing about the Roman Empire who had conquered and dominated his country. To write about events that might happen thousands of years into the future would be meaningless and futile to his contemporaries.

 

And who and what is "ruining the earth"? Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly in the USA, are likely to have invested in the very companies that are implicated in your accusation.

[SnailyBoy 10]

How about Bad Moon Rising by Creedence Clearwater Revival? Also In The Year 2525 by Zager & Evans. Both in the charts in 1969.

 

Both are good songs.

[fatrajah 10]

Both are good songs.

 

I've had a sense of foreboding ever since hearing them! Please excuse the Teenyesque exclamation mark.

[apelike 10]

God foretold that bad things would happen :

 

Revelation 11:18:

 

"But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to BRING TO RUIN THOSE RUINING THE EARTH "

 

But notice the scripture mentions an appointed time , time for what ?

 

Also notice that the words "the appointed time" only appears in the JW own corrupted New World Translation of the Bible. All the other scripture translations state "the time for the dead to be judged."

 

Another example of how the JW's have changed and manipulated things to fit their own belief and especially that about the end or apocalypse.

[carosio 186]

It's an interesting book in many ways, and a happy hunting ground for Evangelists:

 

"As a source, the book of Revelation is something of an outlier for a book of the Bible that got accepted into the canonical New Testament of most branches of Christianity: it is the only explicitly eschatological work in the New Testament, its date of composition is generally taken to be far later than the other books, its content is dramatic, and its author is not certain.

 

According to Wikipedia:

 

Revelation was the last book to be accepted into the Christian biblical canon, and even at the present day some Nestorian churches reject it. It was tainted because the heretical sect of the Montanists relied on it and doubts were raised over its Jewishness and authorship, and it was not until 419 that it was included in the canon.

 

Is this the full story of why it was accepted late (reaction against Montanists, doubts over its Jewishness and authorship), and what justification was there for it's final inclusion that overcame these barriers to admission to the canon?"

[kingdom 10]

Also notice that the words "the appointed time" only appears in the JW own corrupted New World Translation of the Bible. All the other scripture translations state "the time for the dead to be judged."

 

Another example of how the JW's have changed and manipulated things to fit their own belief and especially that about the end or apocalypse.

 

 

the reason for the wording at revelation of time is clear by an understanding of the word used in greek :

 

καιρός (kairos)

 

Strong: G2540

 

GK: G2789

 

pr. fitness, proportion, suitableness; a fitting situation, suitable place, 1 Pet. 4:17; a limited period of time marked by a suitableness of circumstances, a fitting season, 1 Cor. 4:5; 1 Tim. 2:6; 6:15; Tit. 1:3; opportunity, Acts 24:25; Gal. 6:10; Heb. 11:15; a limited period of time marked by characteristic circumstances, a signal juncture, a marked season, Mt. 16:3; Lk. 12:56; 21:8; 1 Pet. 1:11; a destined time, Mt. 8:29; 26:18; Mk. 1:15; Lk. 21:24; 1 Thess. 5:1; a season in ordinary succession, equivalent to ὥρα, Mt. 13:30; Acts 14:17; in NT a limited time, a short season, Lk. 4:13; simply, a point of time, Mt. 11:25; Lk. 13:1

 

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A carefull reading of Matthew chapter 24 in any translation of the bible will help you to see the approximate time

 

Notice that in verse 14 it says there would be a worldwide preaching work taking place at this time !

 

Matthew 24:14 (Contemporary English Version)

 

"When the good news about the kingdom has been preached all over the world and told to all nations, the end will come "

 

The question is the end of what ?