Christians now fleeing from the islamists Iraq

[L00b 441]

Air-strikes are unpredictable as has been proven time after time. As we are using guesswork and figures, the strike could collaterally kill all those you intend to save while killing non you intend to kill with the result of "well we tried"

In this day and age, the 'unpredictability' of airstrikes is essentially down to both the quality and reliability of the intelligence, and the danger-close factor by the time of the actual strike (how close are the baddies to the goodies relative to the weapon's conflagration/effect). That's as true for drones as for manned flights, and there's not much of any guesswork involved: it's timing and physics (well, ballistics).

Would you commit an airstrike on the murderous thugs that hold the 200 girls in Nigeria?

Considering at least some of those 200 girls have since been used by these murderous thugs as suicide bombers, absolutely. It's not an easy decision, it's not a nice decision, in fact it's downright **** and whoever would take it 'in real life' would probably need help with the load on their conscience - but that is the logical decision to take. Which, if anyone wants to play the blame-game, would be 100% down to the abductors and their "repurposing" of their hostages.

 

War is hell, wartime decisions are routinely made between the proverbial devil and deep blue sea, and innocents die in great numbers. Nothing new here.

Edited August 14, 2014 by L00b

[woolyhead 15]

So you think all Muslims are Islamists and religious nut cases?

 

He didn't say ALL Muslims. Read it again.

[firemanbob 10]

How do you account for it?

 

 

This looks like a reasonable answer to that question.

 

The madness was not created by America. Rather it was released by their idiotic and naive actions. The madness itself is a product of the Islamic religion and culture.

 

This is a more in depth answer.

 

http://www.catholic.com/documents/endless-jihad-the-truth-about-islam-and-violence

Edited August 14, 2014 by firemanbob

[DrNorm 10]

The madness was not created by America. Rather it was released by their idiotic and naive actions. The madness itself is a product of the Islamic religion and religion and culture

 

Correlation is not causation. Its not too hard to make a link between the trouble spots in the world and Islam. Did religion lead directly to violence or has it been exploited by those with a political agenda?

[L00b 441]

Correlation is not causation.

In the case of ISIS, I daresay it is.

Did religion lead directly to violence or has it been exploited by those with a political agenda?

In the case of ISIS and the (frequently terminal and needlessly barbaric-) violence they visit upon non-combatants, the answer is glaringly obvious. Religion (well, their version of it) leads directly to violence.

 

After all, if their end game is 'merely' a Caliphate (i.e. one type of geopolitical construct amongst others), where is the political requirement to consistently butcher fellow muslims, including infants?

 

Claiming that America "created" ISIS is quite clearly nonsensical. They do have their portion of the cross to bear...but only about as much as all the other stakeholders (the Coalition partners, the Iraqis, the neighbours, the wahabites, <etc.>).

 

It would otherwise be the (il-)logical equivalent of claiming that Britain, France and the US, vanquishing Germany and imposing the Versailles Treaty in 1918, "created" Nazism...when it was actually the outcome of a very wide variety of socio-eco-political factors over time extending well beyond the Allies' acts and omissions (including e.g. the global economical crisis of 1929 which, arguably, had much more of a 'role' in precipitating the political advent of Hitler's party - the exact same political dynamic we are currently seeing with the resurgence of righter-than-right populists, on the back of several years' worth of recession-imposed hardships).

Edited August 14, 2014 by L00b

[oldprune 10]

Air-strikes are unpredictable as has been proven time after time. As we are using guesswork and figures, the strike could collaterally kill all those you intend to save while killing non you intend to kill with the result of "well we tried".

 

As we are using life in the form of numbers, statistics or semantics, boots on the ground in the form of a task force would be preferable. Some may argue that puts military personnel lives at risk, well that's what their there for, and ultimately they are only statistics and numbers like those that are under threat are.

 

Would you commit an airstrike on the murderous thugs that hold the 200 girls in Nigeria?

 

One thing is for sure once you have killed murderous thugs they cease to murder. Leave them alive and they will carry on murdering, raping, kidnapping and turning innocent girls into suicide bombers until they are killed.

[SevenRivers 10]

Money spent on killing jihadis is well spent imo.

 

Some of the ISIS fighters are British, killing and mutilating people, we have a moral obligation to kill them if we can.

[Zamo 10]

Correlation is not causation. Its not too hard to make a link between the trouble spots in the world and Islam. Did religion lead directly to violence or has it been exploited by those with a political agenda?

 

Exploitation is the purpose of religion. Islam has simply excelled at maintaining its grip on its followers, avoiding the need to tone down what is preached, and therefore extremism thrives. It isn't a case of nutters corrupting the religion/culture... they are a product of the religion/culture.

[oldprune 10]

Exploitation is the purpose of religion. Islam has simply excelled at maintaining its grip on its followers, avoiding the need to tone down what is preached, and therefore extremism thrives. It isn't a case of nutters corrupting the religion/culture... they are a product of the religion/culture.

 

They do that by indoctrination from birth and executing those who wants to opt out of the religion they were forced into. It is rather amusing that they keep saying "god willing" and still get bumped off by ech other. What a strange god.

[cuttsie 1,089]

Exploitation is the purpose of religion. Islam has simply excelled at maintaining its grip on its followers, avoiding the need to tone down what is preached, and therefore extremism thrives. It isn't a case of nutters corrupting the religion/culture... they are a product of the religion/culture.

The nutters have murdered another 80 men and kidnapped all the women and young girls according to News at ten .

Brave lads who cover their faces when interviewed on the T.V. ! just in case they decide they would like to return to the corrupt west maybe.

[firemanbob 10]

The nutters have murdered another 80 men and kidnapped all the women and young girls according to News at ten .

Brave lads who cover their faces when interviewed on the T.V. ! just in case they decide they would like to return to the corrupt west maybe.

 

I'm guessing this is the young man you are talking about, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28807384

It makes one wonder where they get these ideas from.

 

"God has commanded for the Muslims to go and fight jihad",

For Ahmed it is a religious call he cannot ignore: "This thing takes takes precedence over everything else in my life at the moment, this is the biggest thing for a Muslim.

 

"To die as a martyr is the promise of paradise, the highest paradise."

[Mecky 10]

I'm guessing this is the young man you are talking about, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28807384

It makes one wonder where they get these ideas from.

 

"God has commanded for the Muslims to go and fight jihad",

For Ahmed it is a religious call he cannot ignore: "This thing takes takes precedence over everything else in my life at the moment, this is the biggest thing for a Muslim.

 

"To die as a martyr is the promise of paradise, the highest paradise."

 

Was just going to post that myself. I wonder how many people on this web site share his views, even if they won't admit it?