Why our boycott campaign against Israel makes sense #BDS

[firemanbob 10]

Hamas aren't driving Israelis into refugee camps so they can steal their land and build Palestinian settlements.

 

Israel aren't driving Palestinians into refugee camps so they can steal their land and build Israeli settlements.

[donkey 10]

But they have maimed, orphaned and made homeless tens of thousands of Palestinians because of their attacks on Israel.

 

No, that was definitely the Israeli military who did that.

[firemanbob 10]

Israel is an occupying force in gaza according to international law, maybe you should read up on why the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians started in the first place instead of conveniently forgetting about that and putting all the blame on the Palestinian side.

 

It didn't start up between Israel and Palestinians it started up with Jews and Muslim Arabs

[donkey 10]

Israel aren't driving Palestinians into refugee camps so they can steal their land and build Israeli settlements.

 

YES THEY ARE

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/10/israel

https://www.btselem.org/download/200205_land_grab_eng.pdf

The report in this second link has been compiled by Israelis. Probably Hamas supporting antisemites.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/14/us-palestinian-israel-settlement-idUSBREA3C0KK20140414

 

There are pages and pages of stuff on google relating to Israel forcibly displacing Palestinians from the West bank to take their land. You should try reading a bit more.

Edited August 30, 2014 by donkey

[firemanbob 10]

No, that was definitely the Israeli military who did that.

 

It was most definitely the consequence of Hamas attacking Israel, using civilians to shield their rocket launch site, killing civilians with their unguided rockets, executing their own civilians, and their desire to destroy Israel.

 

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YES THEY ARE

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/10/israel

https://www.btselem.org/download/200205_land_grab_eng.pdf

The report in this second link has been compiled by Israelis. Probably Hamas supporting antisemites.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/14/us-palestinian-israel-settlement-idUSBREA3C0KK20140414

 

There are pages and pages of stuff on google relating to Israel forcibly displacing Palestinians from the West bank to take their land. You should try reading a bit more.

 

That doesn't support your stance, its just states that Israel is building settlement on disputed territory.

[donkey 10]

It was most definitely the consequence of Hamas attacking Israel, using civilians to shield their rocket launch site, killing civilians with their unguided rockets, executing their own civilians, and their desire to destroy Israel.

 

It is Israel which is systematically destroying Palestine, by driving the Palestinians from their land. Israeli settlers are quite up front about it. They use the bible as if it is some kind of legal document equivalent to the deeds of a large tract of the middle east.

 

It would be easy to dissmiss them as just an insignificant bunch of fruit loops, were it not for the fact that the Israeli military clears the Palestinians from the land, guards the settlements, and engages in large scale retaliations against Palestinian civilians as a collective punishment for the actions of the militant groups which would inevitably spring up in any society subjected to such treatment.

 

Then we have the likes of you, telling us that no, it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel. It is the Israelis who are the victims. Black is white. Up is down.

 

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It was most definitely the consequence of Hamas attacking Israel, using civilians to shield their rocket launch site, killing civilians with their unguided rockets, executing their own civilians, and their desire to destroy Israel.

 

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That doesn't support your stance, its just states that Israel is building settlement on disputed territory.

 

Disputed territory? Disputed in the sense that the people who are stealing it say it is their's now, because of the bible.

Edited August 30, 2014 by donkey

[firemanbob 10]

It is Israel which is systematically destroying Palestine, by driving the Palestinians from their land. Israeli settlers are quite up front about it. They use the bible as if it is some kind of legal document equivalent to the deeds of a large tract of the middle east.

 

It would be easy to dissmiss them as just an insignificant bunch of fruit loops, were it not for the fact that the Israeli military clears the Palestinians from the land, guards the settlements, and engages in large scale retaliations against Palestinian civilians as a collective punishment for the actions of the militant groups which would inevitably spring up in any society subjected to such treatment.

 

Then we have the likes of you, telling us that no, it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel. It is the Israelis who are the victims. Black is white. Up is down.

 

There is no Palestine, the West Bank was occupied and annexed by Jordon after Arab–Israeli war, the Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem. All but one of the 35 synagogues in the Old City were destroyed over the course of the next 19 years, either razed or used as stables and chicken coops. Many other historic and religiously significant buildings were replaced by modern structures. The ancient Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives was desecrated. Gaza was occupied by Egypt and in 1967 during another defensive war Israel took them back.

 

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Disputed territory? Disputed in the sense that the people who are stealing it say it is their's now, because of the bible.

 

No it was theirs prior to Jordon and Egypt taking it during the Arab Israeli war.

Edited August 30, 2014 by firemanbob

[Happ Hazzard 10]

How did Palestinians end up with the land before it was Israel? Indeed, how did "Palestine" come to be in the first place, because it had to come from somewhere? I think you'll find it was through one group of people taking the land from another group. The same way Israel did it. Surely what's good for the goose is also good for the gander?

[firemanbob 10]

How did Palestinians end up with the land before it was Israel? Indeed, how did "Palestine" come to be in the first place, because it had to come from somewhere? I think you'll find it was through one group of people taking the land from another group. The same way Israel did it. Surely what's good for the goose is also good for the gander?

 

Before Israel it was the Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire. and it's the fall of this once vast Islamic caliphate that grates on Muslim and why Hamas and Isis want it back.

[donkey 10]

How did Palestinians end up with the land before it was Israel? Indeed, how did "Palestine" come to be in the first place, because it had to come from somewhere? I think you'll find it was through one group of people taking the land from another group. The same way Israel did it. Surely what's good for the goose is also good for the gander?

 

I appreciate your honesty in stating in a straightforeward manner that you support an ethnic war and land grab against the Palestinians. A breath of fresh air from the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of those who interminably pretend the Zionists are defending themselves while they conduct a ruthless ethnic race war.

 

And it is funny the way many European extreme right wingers now support Israel because they hate Muslims more than Jews these days, when in the relatively recent past they wanted to murder all Jews. What is even weirder is the way that the extremist Zionists are quite happy to accept the support of the people who tried to wipe their own kith and kin from the face of the Earth not seventy years ago. Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

Edited August 30, 2014 by donkey

[ronthenekred 10]

I appreciate your honesty in stating in a straightforeward manner that you support an ethnic war and land grab against the Palestinians. A breath of fresh air from the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of those who interminably pretend the Zionists are defending themselves while they conduct a ruthless ethnic race war.

 

And it is funny the way many European extreme right wingers now support Israel because they hate Muslims more than Jews these days, when in the relatively recent past they wanted to murder all Jews. What is even weirder is the way that the extremist Zionists are quite happy to accept the support of the people who tried to wipe their own kith and kin from the face of the Earth not seventy years ago. Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

 

All that confusion and mind gymnastics (I use the word 'mind' loosely btw) must be really demanding.

[Happ Hazzard 10]

I appreciate your honesty in stating in a straightforeward manner that you support an ethnic war and land grab against the Palestinians. A breath of fresh air from the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of those who interminably pretend the Zionists are defending themselves while they conduct a ruthless ethnic race war.

 

And it is funny the way many European extreme right wingers now support Israel because they hate Muslims more than Jews these days, when in the relatively recent past they wanted to murder all Jews. What is even weirder is the way that the extremist Zionists are quite happy to accept the support of the people who tried to wipe their own kith and kin from the face of the Earth not seventy years ago. Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

There's nothing like that about it. Israel is a free, modern, developed, westernised, democratic country. The larger it is, the more free, modern, developed, westernised and democratic the Middle East is. If the Islamic countries in the region gave their citizens the same standard of living as Israelis had, do you really think there'd be all the trouble in that region??