Why our boycott campaign against Israel makes sense #BDS

[firemanbob 10]

You wouldn't think so considering your bias link.

 

 

 

No one is firing nuclear weapons at them, maybe stop spending billions and proliferating their nuclear programme...they don't have, in order for it's poor citizens not to live in tents...

 

But Hamas would if they had one, no doubt they would leave Gaza before firing it and they would tell the Gazan civilians their plans, then they would blame the blast on Israel.

[clinteastwoo 10]

If they had somewhere to go to, and the lot of them said to Israel that they would leave, then I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Israel would fear they were going to Nuke the place and would not let any of them go until they have interrogated everyone.

 

If Egypt opened the border tomorrow and everyone set off to leave then we would see the biggest Israeli mobilization of arms that we have ever seen

[firemanbob 10]

You CAN not like Israels action without hating the Israeli people or siding with the 'Islamist's'.

 

You CAN condemn Israel without being 'pro' Hamas.

 

You DON'T have to be on either side of the fence to state that killing civilians is wrong on the scale that we have seen.

 

And you CAN do something even if your Government won't speak out.

 

Boycott.

 

You CAN not like innocent Gazan's whilst condemning Israels efforts to rid Gaza of terrorist factions.

 

You CAN support Israels actions without hating the Gazan people.

 

You must support terrorism if you won't support action to stop it.

 

You can not boycott Israel without causing more suffering for the Palestinians.

[Emily Moore 10]

But Hamas would if they had one, no doubt they would leave Gaza before firing it and they would tell the Gazan civilians their plans, then they would blame the blast on Israel.

 

As was shown many times the arab dictators have had little compunction in using WMDs against there own civilian populations. Or was it the opposition in Syria that was using WMDs against thetre neighbors? Anyhow Saddam certainly used nerve gas against the Kurds.

[ronthenekred 10]

But Hamas would if they had one, no doubt they would leave Gaza before firing it and they would tell the Gazan civilians their plans, then they would blame the blast on Israel.

 

You either an avid viewer of the Teletubbies or are one. Come to think of it there are 4 of them...which is perfect.

[firemanbob 10]

If they had somewhere to go to, and the lot of them said to Israel that they would leave, then I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Israel would fear they were going to Nuke the place and would not let any of them go until they have interrogated everyone.

 

If Egypt opened the border tomorrow and everyone set off to leave then we would see the biggest Israeli mobilization of arms that we have ever seen

 

The terrorists do have somewhere to go and they can leave whenever they feel like leaving.

[Tommo68 10]

Odd how none of those that are slagging of israel are prepared to face facts and if they do they won't admit them on here.

 

I have still seen no reason to take no sides in this conflict.

 

Gaza's situation needs looking at and sorting out. Most people I think would agree on that.

 

Conflict started by hamas has got the situation into the world public eye. I concede that point willingly. but at what cost to the people in gaza?

 

Most thinking people have realised that hamas knew their attacks would invoke a violent response and deliberately chose the sites of their launchers, equipment etc. to sacrifice the citizens of gaza for propaganda purposes.

Did the citzens of gaza ask for, or were they even consulted about, that?

 

Despite having secured the world media attention they sought hamas have broken every ceasefire so far. I doubt this one will not be broken by them too. We'll see soon enough.

 

hamas have said their ultimate goal is not a better deal for gaza ...they want to eradicate israel.

Which will hardly encourage the israelis to restrain themselves when attacked or be more reasonable in regard to the negotiations for a permanent solution.

 

If you support the people of gaza and if you have any empathy for their plight then surely you do;

 

Then you want the ceasefire to become permanent

you don't want either side to break the ceasefire or resume the conflict

you want a long term solution that benefits the gaza population and mean an end to the violence

 

Are any of the hamas supporters on here prepared to concede that;

further attacks by hamas are not going to get the gaza people any more attention?

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that further attacks not would help the people of gaza in any way?

 

Two simple questions.

 

 

Incidentally in response to the 136 rockets launched by hamas israel has hit 170 targets since hamas broke the ceasefire, unfortunately in hitting those targets 19 people have been killed and no doubt many more injured.

Given the technology and potential accuracy of an israeli attack if israel was deliberately targetting civilians there would be have been a lot more dead than 19.

 

As reported on TV in relation to the recent israeli attacks the israelis are still employing their warning procedure of 'roof knocking'.

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Now that egypt is brokering the negotiations between the two sides they should include a 3rd party; the citizens of gaza as it appears they are not representing themselves and surely their opinion is the most important one.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Tommo68

[clinteastwoo 10]

The terrorists do have somewhere to go and they can leave whenever they feel like leaving.

 

And that is the cruck of all the bombing. Kill them, starve them, make life miserable enough and they will go and leave the land and their claim to it.

 

You mean like all the other Palestinians that are refugees in other countries, that one day want to come back when they get their own state ?

 

The people that have left in other conflicts are refused to be able to come back to their own land, probably because Israelis now occupy where they were living.

Edited August 11, 2014 by clinteastwoo

[firemanbob 10]

Gaza chose terrorism over building a Palestinian paradise

Unoccupied for nearly a decade, why do Gaza’s people know little else aside from explosives and martyrdom?

 

At such dismal times when projectiles are whizzing overhead and hearts are palpitating from the siren call of rockets, with Iron Dome batteries lighting up the sky and the hideous sight of dead Palestinian children paraded in front of TV cameras, let’s engage in a moment of wishful, magical thinking, the alternative universe of what Gaza might have become after Israel had ended its occupation in 2005.

 

Let’s call it: “It’s a Wonderful Life” for Palestinians, a counter-narrative where warfare and bloodshed never happened because the Gazans were too busy preparing for a new nation. Today, instead of missiles raining down from all directions, Gazans might have been eyeing a bid to host the next World Cup.

 

It’s really not that farfetched, but given the cards that Hamas was holding and the endgame they were playing, it was unlikely to have turned out any other way.

Nothing was inevitable. With Israel’s withdrawal there was a blank slate of possibilities. Today people speak of Israel’s naval blockade and restrictive border crossings (now imposed by Egypt, too) as reasons for why Gaza did not have a free hand in charting its future. But such restrictions on the flow of people and raw materials took place only once it became clear that for Hamas borders and ports are arteries for rockets, artillery, and the kidnapping of soldiers. If the Gazans had spent the last ten years importing equipment with which to build a new nation, there never would have been an Israeli blockade.

 

While we’re dreaming, it’s important to remember that Gaza is a beachside enclave right on the Mediterranean. For decades it has been an armpit of rubble and dust, but it had the potential to be the harbinger of a Palestinian paradise. If Hamas, fresh from its electoral victory over Fatah, had called up casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, as right-wing a supporter of Israel as there is, and suggested a partnership in casinos all along the strip, rather than firing rockets at civilians and martyring their own, Hamas would have been busy booking Tony Bennett and Britney Spears to headline its hotels for Christmas.

 

Instead of resorting to terror they could have just hosted resorts. Imagine, no sounds of bombs bursting, just whirring slot machines; craps tables instead of a wasteland that looks like crap. (The Native Indian-Americans extracted similar concessions from the United States, without launching rockets. And they never had beachfront property!)

 

Gaza could have been a Monaco or a Macao; instead it has all the magnetism and charm of Mars.

 

Yes, I know that those who elected Hamas are among the Islamic faithful and bikinis and baccarat is not exactly their thing. But universities, medical centers, and commercial enterprise were theirs for the asking. Gaza didn’t have to become a breeding ground of terrorists; it could have cultivated nation-building entrepreneurs instead.

 

Filled with implacable hatred and an obsession with conquering all of Israel, these Palestinians managed to learn nothing from the “start-up nation” to their north. Try getting Google to open up offices and employ local techies in Gaza. The people know little else aside from explosives and martyrdom.

 

There was a choice: Nation building or rocket launchings. We know what Gazans chose, a decision that was made permanent when they exercised their electoral franchise and Hamas came to power without city planners, architects, or finance wizards with MBA’s. The message sent to the world was: We’re not ready for statehood. Our diplomacy will focus on blowing things up rather than Palestine rising from the ground. Our tunnels will transport terrorists. All we desire is to obliterate the Zionist enemy with whatever means possible.

 

Sure, Israel has made its share of mistakes, particularly in the West Bank. But Gaza is a different story and it could have had a better ending. After all, had there been no missiles, Israel’s security concerns would have been allayed; its most persuasive argument against Palestinian autonomy wholly disarmed. Given the relative success that PA President Abbas has had in policing terrorism in the West Bank, the settlements and the right of return would have remained the primary impediments to a two-state solution.

 

Yet, Hamas keeps invoking the word occupation even though no Israelis or Jews live in Gaza, and haven’t for some time. Beginning in 2005 there was an open frontier of possibilities, but it went completely squandered, no progress made, no sustainable plan for a future was even commenced. And all that foreign aid misdirected in the service of destruction. What if Hamas had taken its cue not from the Muslim Brotherhood but rather the Kurds of Kurdistan or African-Americans, who certainly didn't win their civil rights by becoming domestic terrorists?

 

The pioneering Israelis almost instantly became known around the world as a people who made the deserts bloom. The Palestinians of Gaza, however, now unoccupied for nearly a decade, are only known for things that go boom.

 

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And that is the cruck of all the bombing. Kill them, starve them, make life miserable enough and they will go and leave the land and their claim to it.

 

You mean like all the other Palestinians that are refugees in other countries, that one day want to come back when they get their own state ?

 

The people that have left in other conflicts are refused to be able to come back to their own land, probably because Israelis now occupy where they were living.

 

They are in their own land but they just choose to fire rockets at Israel instead of making it a wonderful place to live, they thrive on their self inflicted dependency.

[geared 312]

 

I thought Saudi dates, were supposed to be the best.

 

A friend of mine brought me back some dates from Saudi a while ago, they were indeed very tasty.

 

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And you CAN do something even if your Government won't speak out.

 

Boycott.

 

What is it you think you are going to achieve again??

:hihi::hihi:

[clinteastwoo 10]

Can you not just put a link up instead of copying and pasting ?

 

This topic is about boycotting because of what we have seen from Israeli actions, its not a blame game. I am sure there are loads of topics where the dispute in the region is being fully discussed ?

[firemanbob 10]

Can you not just put a link up instead of copying and pasting ?

 

This topic is about boycotting because of what we have seen from Israeli actions, its not a blame game. I am sure there are loads of topics where the dispute in the region is being fully discussed ?

 

But you are blaming Israel for the actions of Hamas and I did include a link.