Russell Brand vs Sean Hannity on Gaza

[frank ryan 10]

I understood it but it contradicted your first response so I was asking for clarification.

 

you're speaking in that same detached tone again bob, this isn't an intellectual debate - it's a discussion about mass graves full of human beings, men women children and babies,it's about innocent civilians who are dead homeless and grieving, lacking food water and fuel- it's full of emotion - it's not about 'clarification' or contradiction, it's about humanity - the same humanity that rails against the racist slaughter of jews and gypsies and the bigoted slaughter of gays and the political slaughter of socialists and trades unionists - those of us who sit watching the slaughter of gazans aren't trying to concoct rational arguments that will impress you, we are feeling horror and fury - the proper emotional responses that decent people have.

[Halibut 12]

 

Israel isn't waging a war against civilians.

 

That's what they say. The reality is that they are killing hundreds and hundreds of civilians.

[firemanbob 10]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

 

Its not wrong at all, its like saying Hitler wasn't responsible for every civilian that died in WW2, he started the war so rightly takes all the blame for everyone that was killed.

[Halibut 12]

you're speaking in that same detached tone again bob, this isn't an intellectual debate - it's a discussion about mass graves full of human beings, men women children and babies,it's about innocent civilians who are dead homeless and grieving, lacking food water and fuel- it's full of emotion - it's not about 'clarification' or contradiction, it's about humanity - the same humanity that rails against the racist slaughter of jews and gypsies and the bigoted slaughter of gays and the political slaughter of socialists and trades unionists - those of us who sit watching the slaughter of gazans aren't trying to concoct rational arguments that will impress you, we are feeling horror and fury - the proper emotional responses that decent people have.

 

Spot on Frank. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[firemanbob 10]

That's what they say. The reality is that they are killing hundreds and hundreds of civilians.

 

It happens during a war, it happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, WW1, WW2, I would guess that civilians have been killed in every war that ever happened, but that doesn't mean that civilians are the target.

[Halibut 12]

Its not wrong at all, its like saying Hitler wasn't responsible for every civilian that died in WW2, he started the war so rightly takes all the blame for everyone that was killed.

 

Are you morally and emotionally sick? Is there something preventing you from just condemning the killing on all sides and calling for a halt to the killing?

[frank ryan 10]

Its not wrong at all, its like saying Hitler wasn't responsible for every civilian that died in WW2, he started the war so rightly takes all the blame for everyone that was killed.

 

for god's sake...........................

[Happ Hazzard 10]

Halibut is one of those "peace at all costs" idiots. He'd have been opposed to us going to war in 1939 as well.

[frank ryan 10]

Are you morally and emotionally sick? Is there something preventing you from just condemning the killing on all sides and calling for a halt to the killing?

 

I'm not talking for bob - can't. but there is a genocidal wing of the greater zionist community and they are in full force at the moment, they don't want the killing to stop, they want to obliterate the palestinians and , my god, they're having a go at the moment aren't they.

[firemanbob 10]

you're speaking in that same detached tone again bob, this isn't an intellectual debate - it's a discussion about mass graves full of human beings, men women children and babies,it's about innocent civilians who are dead homeless and grieving, lacking food water and fuel- it's full of emotion - it's not about 'clarification' or contradiction, it's about humanity - the same humanity that rails against the racist slaughter of jews and gypsies and the bigoted slaughter of gays and the political slaughter of socialists and trades unionists - those of us who sit watching the slaughter of gazans aren't trying to concoct rational arguments that will impress you, we are feeling horror and fury - the proper emotional responses that decent people have.

 

Yes its horrific and an inevitable consequence of Gaza firing rockets at Israeli civilians, and for that I condemn Hamas and Isis for firing those rockets, I can not condemn Israel for trying to defend their own people against this violent aggression.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:28 ----------

 

Are you morally and emotionally sick? Is there something preventing you from just condemning the killing on all sides and calling for a halt to the killing?

 

I would love to see an end to the killing, and I condemn Hamas for setting out on this path, but I will never condemn someone or a group of people for acting in self defense.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:29 ----------

 

Halibut is one of those "peace at all costs" idiots. He'd have been opposed to us going to war in 1939 as well.

 

He doesn't strike me as the type that would turn the other cheek.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:30 ----------

 

I'm not talking for bob - can't. but there is a genocidal wing of the greater zionist community and they are in full force at the moment, they don't want the killing to stop, they want to obliterate the palestinians and , my god, they're having a go at the moment aren't they.

 

See there you go again with the type of emotional anger that perpetuates the violence.

[frank ryan 10]

Halibut is one of those "peace at all costs" idiots. He'd have been opposed to us going to war in 1939 as well.

 

so you have an opinion on halibut, what else? my guess is that halibut is an anti fascist like me - he abhors racist and colonialist violence, he watches but winces when palestinian corpses and their grieving loved ones are on the TV, he feels common humanity with their suffering.

 

tell me honestly how you react- do you gloat? do you feel sick but feel it justifiable?, do you avoid?

 

be honest.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:32 ----------

 

Yes its horrific and an inevitable consequence of Gaza firing rockets at Israeli civilians, and for that I condemn Hamas and Isis for firing those rockets, I can not condemn Israel for trying to defend their own people against this violent aggression.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:28 ----------

 

 

I would love to see an end to the killing, and I condemn Hamas for setting out on this path, but I will never condemn someone or a group of people for acting in self defense.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:29 ----------

 

 

He doesn't strike me as the type that would turn the other cheek.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:30 ----------

 

 

See there you go again with the type of emotional anger that perpetuates the violence.

 

you're not open to the 'humanity' approach are you bob - your hatred shines through.

[firemanbob 10]

so you have an opinion on halibut, what else? my guess is that halibut is an anti fascist like me - he abhors racist and colonialist violence, he watches but winces when palestinian corpses and their grieving loved ones are on the TV, he feels common humanity with their suffering.

 

tell me honestly how you react- do you gloat? do you feel sick but feel it justifiable?, do you avoid?

 

be honest.

 

---------- Post added 03-08-2014 at 18:32 ----------

 

 

you're not open to the 'humanity' approach are you bob - your hatred shines through.

 

The only person showing hatred is you, your hatred for Israel is no different to the hatred which caused Gazan's to fire rockets at them, which lead to Israel defending its citizens and ultimately lead to the deaths of hundreds of Gazan citizens. If you could stop hating, and the Gazan people could stop hating, maybe the fighting would end.