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250,000 extra people every year plus any future offspring will make a huge difference, to our energy needs, transport needs, and every other service and resource we need.

 

Even if there was 250k more people a year (there hasn't since 2010), that's less than 0.5% of the country's population, and less than half of the annual population growth. We're still going to need more electricity, more roads, more train lines, more schools, more hospitals even if you didn't let a single immigrant into the country.

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So why are the UK government inviting immigrants into the UK to save their NHS,then complaining about the UK infrastucture not being able to cope?............if you need immigrants and invite them to come and work in Government jobs,you have a duty to make sure that the infrastructure is able to take them..............instead,they blame them for coming and putting pressure on it,when in fact it deflects from the main reason that the government is underfunding infrastucture and willing to blame immigrants for it.

 

Because they are not very bright.

 

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Where did you get 20 million from?

 

I never said that the current situation with immigration is ideal and doesn't need a dressing at some point. It's just no where near as pressing a matter as many other things. It's a very small proportion that come to the uk and go straight on benefits.

 

Out of thin air, what in your opinion needs addressing first that is getting progressively worse because of population growth?

 

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Even if there was 250k more people a year (there hasn't since 2010), that's less than 0.5% of the country's population, and less than half of the annual population growth. We're still going to need more electricity, more roads, more train lines, more schools, more hospitals even if you didn't let a single immigrant into the country.

 

Your calculations will have failed to consider the kids that immigrant have once they are here, and any increase makes an already bad situation worse than it already is, it's like saying the ship is sinking so one more hole won't matter, well it does matter because the ship sinks faster making it harder to keep afloat whilst the hole is fixed.

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Out of thin air, what in your opinion needs addressing first that is getting progressively worse because of population growth?

 

Why has it got to be because of population growth? I don't think that's a real issue either. Certainly not the top of my list.

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Why has it got to be because of population growth? I don't think that's a real issue either. Certainly not the top of my list.

 

What are your top five concerns?

 

Mine are probably

 

Climate change and the associated problems such as flooding and adverse weather.

Energy security.

Food and water security.

Housing.

Transport infrastructure.

Education, schools.

Public health.

 

All are made worse by increasing the population.

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Your calculations will have failed to consider the kids that immigrant have once they are here, and any increase makes an already bad situation worse than it already is, it's like saying the ship is sinking so one more hole won't matter, well it does matter because the ship sinks faster making it harder to keep afloat whilst the hole is fixed.

 

The ship is only sinking though because the likes of UKIP are making people think if we patch over one of the many holes then they ship will stop sinking, whereas what we need is to renovate the ship so it doesn't matter if the hull is holed, the ship won't sink.

 

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All are made worse by increasing the population.

 

The population is increasing anyway. Stopping immigration won't stop that.

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The ship is only sinking though because the likes of UKIP are making people think if we patch over one of the many holes then they ship will stop sinking, whereas what we need is to renovate the ship so it doesn't matter if the hull is holed, the ship won't sink.

 

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The population is increasing anyway. Stopping immigration won't stop that.

 

Patching it up until it is fixed is the only thing that will stop it sinking, trying to renovate it whilst creating new holes won't stop it sinking.

 

 

But it will make it easier to keep up with the increase, Immigration accounts for more than four-fifths of Britain’s population growth in the past decade, and they all need somewhere to live, consume energy, use the transport network, use school, hospitals.

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What are your top five concerns?

 

Mine are probably

 

Climate change and the associated problems such as flooding and adverse weather.

Energy security.

Food and water security.

Housing.

Transport infrastructure.

Education, schools.

Public health.

 

All are made worse by increasing the population.

 

All could be catered for if there wasn't such thing as a tax loophole.

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All could be catered for if there wasn't such thing as a tax loophole.

 

What tax loopholes do you think exist and how much additional revenue would the government have to spend if they was closed?

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All could be catered for if there wasn't such thing as a tax loophole.

well that is the funniest thing i have heard today! maybe so if we got rid of the spongers that come here and that feed from the welfare system as well:(

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Patching it up until it is fixed is the only thing that will stop it sinking, trying to renovate it whilst creating new holes won't stop it sinking.

 

Stopping immigration isn't a patch though, it's just slowing down the problem. UKIP don't want to fix the problems with the ship, they specifically say they don't want to fix many of the issues.

 

 

Immigration accounts for more than four-fifths of Britain’s population growth in the past decade

 

No it doesn't. The population has increased by over 4.8million in that time. There hasn't been anywhere near 4 million net immigration in that period. Less than half of that.

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maybe so if we got rid of the spongers that come here and that feed from the welfare system as well:(

 

How much money is that?

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Stopping immigration isn't a patch though, it's just slowing down the problem. UKIP don't want to fix the problems with the ship, they specifically say they don't want to fix many of the issues.

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't. The population has increased by over 4.8million in that time. There hasn't been anywhere near 4 million net immigration in that period. Less than half of that.

 

Slowing down the decline is sensible until the problems are fixed and you keep forgetting about the kids that immigrants have. There are approximately 700,000 children born here each year and about a third are born to immigrants. That works out at around 230,000 new children plus the 250,000 immigrants, which is an approximate population increase of 4,800,000 over ten years.

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