Ukip. All discussion here please.

[crazybaby 10]

I listened to Farage on Friday on LBC radios Nick Ferrari show. If anything he doesn't shirk any questions, and doesn't trot out parrot style rhetoric that means nothing. He was asked about the manifesto and said that ideas were often stolen by other parties, i.e. the 'Sovereign Wealth Fund' announced by Ed Davey this weekend was their policy which the government 'nicked'.

[Ellco 10]

I listened to Farage on Friday on LBC radios Nick Ferrari show. If anything he doesn't shirk any questions, and doesn't trot out parrot style rhetoric that means nothing. He was asked about the manifesto and said that ideas were often stolen by other parties, i.e. the 'Sovereign Wealth Fund' announced by Ed Davey this weekend was their policy which the government 'nicked'.

 

UKIP are responsible for influencing the other parties policy as well. As per their new immigration stance. And if it was not for UKIP Labour, in particular, would still be deriding anyone with an English flag as an extremist.

[andyofborg 11]

Well boys, we shall see.... Nigel will eat them alive... it will be very entertaining.

 

we've had eggybread and spam now we have cannibalism at this rate this thread will end up in the foodies section

[Stan Tamudo 10]

UKIP are responsible for influencing the other parties policy as well. As per their new immigration stance. And if it was not for UKIP Labour, in particular, would still be deriding anyone with an English flag as an extremist.

 

Have Labour joined UKIP?

[pigeon 11]

Too late. . . parts of Page Hall already resemble a third-world country.

 

I think we need a return to open sewers, like the kind we had a couple of hundred years ago.

 

Not only will the immigrants feel more at home, but the resulting Cholera epidemic should kill them off in their thousands.

 

What a good idea they already weighed the man holes in for scrap so we're getting there!

[dosxuk 10]

And if it was not for UKIP Labour, in particular, would still be deriding anyone with an English flag as an extremist.

 

When did this happen, or are you turning to UKIP tactic #1 "when nobody believes you, just make stuff up"?

[Xt500 10]

When did this happen, or are you turning to UKIP tactic #1 "when nobody believes you, just make stuff up"?

 

Its not a ukip tactic its how people feel.

 

This is from the link that was posted on this forum in another thread i believe.

 

BY CAROLE MALONE

Champagne socialists like Emily Thornberry show politicians have to change

22 November 2014 07:12 PM Carole Malone

Mirror columnist Carole Malone says Emily Thornberry proved that if you look like a snob and sound like a snob, then you probably are a snob



Emily Thornberry

So, as predicted, UKIP romped to victory in Rochester and Strood. And Emily Thornberry proved that if you look like a snob and sound like a snob, then you probably are a snob. And not only do you lose your job, trash your socialist credentials and make the hierarchy of the Labour Party look like a bunch of out of touch metropolitan elitists – you deaden the hearts of loyal, despairing, Labour voters many of whom now feel angry and abandoned by a party that used to understand them but which they now don’t recognise or connect with.

 

Emily Thornberry, a barrister who is married to a high court judge and lives in a £3million house in champagne-socialist Islington, is forever screeching about her working class upbringing. But that was another life – proved this week when she tweeted a picture of a house draped in St George’s flags with a white van parked in the drive.

 

It said simply “Image of Rochester” (actually it was Strood).

 

But it meant so much more. It was sneering and patronising and implied the people who live there are chavs. That’s how far Ms Thornberry has come from her working class roots. She sneers at the very people she used to live among. And how stupid is she not to see that kind of attitude is precisely why UKIP trounced both the Tories and Labour in the by-election?

 



Those good people delivered a monumental kick in the goolies to smug, self-satisfied politicians of ALL colours who treat the people who vote for them as numpties who can be lied to, laughed at and ignored.

 



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And like millions of others, the people of R&S are sick of it. They’re furious that no one is listening to them. They’re sick of being told they’re racist if they dare object to the vast numbers of migrants coming to this country. They’re fed up with being told that immigration is a wonderful thing. Because while it might be for businesses who want cheap labour and for people and politicians with big houses, private health insurances and who can pay to put their kids through private school. It isn’t for ordinary, working people, many of whom are desperate because they don’t recognise their own towns and cities any more.

 

Nothing is familiar. And they’re scared. These people can’t get a doctor’s appointment, can’t get their kids into the schools they want. They can’t get jobs or a house because they feel successive governments have put a greater value on the needs of people from other countries before the needs of the British people. And they’ve been *powerless to do anything about it – until now. Until UKIP. And by voting UKIP they feel they can punish politicians who’ve let them down.

 

By rights UKIP shouldn’t even exist. Every week one of them says something hideous or inappropriate. And Mark Reckless – now a UKIP MP, didn’t *disappoint. He had the gall to suggest people who emigrated here years ago should be repatriated. A BNP policy if ever there was one.

 

Ukip win in Rochester and Strood

But as terrible as that was it didn’t affect the vote in R&S. Nothing seems to stick to UKIP – except maybe the hopes of thousands of disgruntled people who see this renegade party with no proper policies as their saviour.

 

No disrespect to the people of R&S but I’ll bet many don’t know what UKIP’s other policies are – apart from immigration. But they don’t care. They’re angry about it and they’re worried. And they’ve never been able to talk about it until now – and that’s only because of UKIP. So now it’s the two major parties who are worried and spewing out new immigration policies like Smarties, finally understanding that the *inexorable rise of UKIP is 100 per cent their fault.

 

Because the people Cameron dismissed as “loonies and fruitcakes” have connected with huge swathes of a disgruntled electorate. In Farage they see a bloke who’s not laughing at their worries, not slating them as racists, not making them feel ugly inside for being worried about what happens to Britain and harking back to a time and a country that no longer exists. He’s listening to them and for many people that’s a luxury they’ve never been afforded by politicians.

 

This by-election was a game changer. Not just because it was massive slap in the face for the Tories. But because it means politics and politicians have to change. Gone are the days when they can ignore what the electorate wants. Because now the *electorate have found a way to punish them. And they just did it to the Tories in Rochester and Strood.

[Ellco 10]

Labour are the party of "diversity" and not of ordinary people.

 

As the socialist novelist and journalist George Orwell wrote in My Country Right Or Left, during the 1940s: ‘Patriotism is usually stronger than class hatred and always stronger than internationalism.’ Seventy years later, it still is.

 

Orwell was, in terms of the British Left, very isolated in holding such opinions. Yet unlike so many of them at the time — and certainly unlike the current generation of career politicians — he had deep first-hand knowledge of what he was writing and talking about.

 

When he denounced the British Empire, it was with the experience of having been a member of the Imperial Police in Burma. When he spoke of what really motivated British workers, it was from having lived among the miners in the North of England.

 

This helps explain what he wrote about the peculiar out-of-touchness of the Left-wing intelligentsia, which bears repetition today: ‘England is perhaps the only country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2846731/Why-Red-Ed-s-bid-parade-patriotism-unconvincing.html#ixzz3JyPVvmt4

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[altus 537]

Its not a ukip tactic its how people feel.

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So it's how Emily Thornberry feels.

 

There was a problem a decade or two ago when the far right in this country had some success at making the English flag associated with them. That changed a couple of world cups ago when widespread support for the English football team meant that almost everyone, even within the Labour party, in the country just sees it as support for the country. It had nothing to do with UKIP - indeed, it pre-dates UKIP's coming to prominence.

 

The only people remaining who think the English flag is still associated with the far right are idiots - whether Emily Thornberry or those members of the far right who, unfortunately, still like to drape themselves in the our flag.

[pigeon 11]

Its time the tories and Labour got their heads from up their a*** and realised that the British population have had enough! let cameron and co go out and spend a year order picking in a warehouse 6 nights out of any seven for a grand a month>>>

[JFKvsNixon 11]

how are we going with the policies, any more U-turns from Ukip yet?

[max 13]

He didn't though.... even if he did is it that important, none of UKIP are bothered if he got confused... He was talking about the transition period ie when we leave the EU what will happen until the divorce is finalized.... This will depend on various things so its not surprising if various people have a different opinion on what will happen. We don't know how the EU will react so there are no definitive outcome as yet.

 

For example the EU may say all UK nationals currently working in the EU may have to leave, this would, of course, influence how we treat those from Europe working here at the moment.

 

At the moment the idea is that those here can stay. But that would depend on how the UK residents currently working in the EU are treated..

 

Sorry, you're missing the point. If every candidate in each of the 650 constituencies misinterprets only one policy and Farage has to scramble to 'explain' their true policies then he is going to be very busy.