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20 hours ago, francypants said:

This is a kind of vote rigging and should be stopped.

Do you mean like the DUP propping up the Torys, except that cost the taxpayer around £1 billion!

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21 hours ago, francypants said:

This is a kind of vote rigging and should be stopped.

Parties have always picked and chose where they field candidates. Normally their best options

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12 hours ago, melcebu said:

the lib dems have stabbed everybody in the back once  don't trust them

Yes but this time they are going to stab the Tory Party and The Brexit Party in the front.

 

I can live with that

4 hours ago, melthebell said:

He'll change his mind at the drop of a hat and support whichever is best for Boris. Brextremists are fools if they think Boris will deliver on his coronation promises

Yes

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2 hours ago, El Cid said:

Do you mean like the DUP propping up the Torys, except that cost the taxpayer around £1 billion!

Explain to me how that involved vote rigging. 

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The Liberal Democrats now have 17 MPs and that number is increasing week by week. Will Amber Rudd be the next one to join?

Some may not become an MP at the next election, but the media attention and the momentum of increased support will have a massive effect.

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On 02/08/2019 at 16:02, francypants said:

This is a kind of vote rigging and should be stopped.

How can not being voted for, constitute vote rigging?

 

There are some very odd ideas out there at the moment 

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On 02/08/2019 at 15:02, francypants said:

This is a kind of vote rigging and should be stopped.

So John Bercow is guilty of being an MP since he became speaker of vote rigging?

 

All the parties, main ones anyway do not field candidates against him at every general election. 

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13 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

So John Bercow is guilty of being an MP since he became speaker of vote rigging?

 

All the parties, main ones anyway do not field candidates against him at every general election. 

apparently the tories now are going to as hes a "traitor" :roll:

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On ‎09‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 08:22, Albert the Cat said:

All the parties, main ones anyway do not field candidates against him at every general election. 

As Wikipedia says, "the convention that major parties do not stand against the speaker is not as firmly established as is sometimes suggested", counterexamples being 1974 (twice) and 1987.

 

What would have been unprecedented was a major party putting up a candidate against a speaker who came from their own party - but Mr Bercow has punctured that particular balloon.

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On ‎08‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 20:35, El Cid said:

The Liberal Democrats now have 17 MPs and that number is increasing week by week. Will Amber Rudd be the next one to join?

Some may not become an MP at the next election, but the media attention and the momentum of increased support will have a massive effect.

True.  The LibDems are fast becoming the natural home of hard-right neoliberal types like Ms Rudd who can't stomach the quasi-fascist direction the Tories are taking.  Coupled with the fact that the propaganda machine represents the LibDems as if they were still 1970s style social liberals (the BBC routinely describes them as "centre-left") - so that most people in the country probably still think of them that way too - I think they do stand a good chance in the near future.  Best result would be if they split the Tory/Farage vote, in the same way that they split the Labour vote in the 10-15 years after Limehouse, though due to the propaganda they will probably still be seen as a "moderate" alternative to Labour, rather than to Tory/Farage.

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6 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

True.  The LibDems are fast becoming the natural home of hard-right neoliberal types like Ms Rudd who can't stomach the quasi-fascist direction the Tories are taking. 

They do still have axactly the same policies; as yet, Amber Rudd has not joined the LDs.

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9 hours ago, El Cid said:

They do still have axactly the same policies; as yet, Amber Rudd has not joined the LDs.

Yes, exactly the same Orange Book policies that they've had for the past fifteen years, and which make the LibDems such a congenial home for the likes of Ms Wollaston and, potentially, Ms Rudd.  I note that Ms Swinson has already made overtures to Ms Rudd, whilst at the same time categorically ruling out any co-operation with Labour, even if that means a no-deal Brexit or an elected Johnson/Farage government.  It's easy to see which side Ms Swinson's bread is buttered.

 

But you might be right that, if there is an influx of Tories to the LibDems, that could drag them even further to the right.

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