The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[sheffbag 227]

5 hours ago, banjodeano said:

not really sure what point you are trying to make, it was beyond doubt that the certain prominent labour politicions in the party were trying their  best to undermine the party....

would i vote for a party led by Starmer,? i very much doubt it

wrong...

My point was, as you are probably well aware.

you blame the media, backstabbing MPs, the weather, anything really except Corbyn for the last defeat. My point is that Labour has lost every election since 1979 with a "socialist" stance so, considering that there were no claims of Anti Semitism, no backstabbing MP's no social media campaigns against Labour during the perios 1979-1997 why did Labour lose every election that was so different to the reasons they lost the last 2 elections with Corbyn as leader?

i.e The UK rejects a socialist party

[Arnold_Lane 0]

Just now, banjodeano said:

Thanks, i will give you that one, 

 

but the report  shows how right-wing Labour officials sabotaged the party during Jeremy Corbyn’s time as leader, and The report blows apart the myth that Corbyn’s LOTO – Leader of the Opposition’s Office – was responsible for undermining efforts to deal effectively with antisemitism in the party. It instead shows that Blairite officials, motivated by hostility to Corbyn’s left-wing politics, made a concerted effort to scupper the handling of complaints.

https://www.counterfire.org/articles/analysis/21098-labour-s-explosive-report-shows-how-right-wing-officials-sabotaged-the-party

You will "give me that one?"

 

I challenged you for using "fake anti-Semitism" in your post.  You brought the leaked report into it and repeatedly asked me if I had read it.  Apparently you hadn't read it thoroughly enough yourself.

 

My point has been made.  Have a nice evening Deano.

 

 

[banjodeano 31]

1 minute ago, sheffbag said:

My point was, as you are probably well aware.

you blame the media, backstabbing MPs, the weather, anything really except Corbyn for the last defeat. My point is that Labour has lost every election since 1979 with a "socialist" stance so, considering that there were no claims of Anti Semitism, no backstabbing MP's no social media campaigns against Labour during the perios 1979-1997 why did Labour lose every election that was so different to the reasons they lost the last 2 elections with Corbyn as leader?

i.e The UK rejects a socialist party

The UK may  indeed reject socialist principles, but it doesnt mean its the right choice, i mean look who we have in power at the moment? was that the right choice..lol

[Pettytom 1]

2 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

The UK may  indeed reject socialist principles, but it doesnt mean its the right choice, i mean look who we have in power at the moment? was that the right choice..lol

Indeed it wasn’t.

 

Now ask yourself why he has a majority of 80. Try to be objective.

[banjodeano 31]

3 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said:

You will "give me that one?"

 

I challenged you for using "fake anti-Semitism" in your post.  You brought the leaked report into it and repeatedly asked me if I had read it.  Apparently you hadn't read it thoroughly enough yourself.

 

My point has been made.  Have a nice evening Deano.

 

 

here you go...0.1% of party members were found to have made antisemitic comennts

https://labourlist.org/2019/02/jennie-formby-provides-numbers-on-labour-antisemitism-cases/?fbclid=IwAR1p_7bbmozMxqQEnlWncwUEq2F_tYrAsmx73zXUQtjsatr60YAeFxZPstQ

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Indeed it wasn’t.

 

Now ask yourself why he has a majority of 80. Try to be objective.

because people were foolish enough to vote for Doris...

[sheffbag 227]

7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

The UK may  indeed reject socialist principles, but it doesnt mean its the right choice, i mean look who we have in power at the moment? was that the right choice..lol

In your opinion

It was the right choice for the country evidently given the majority the Conservative party have following the election. Mine or your opinion matters not one jot.

I respect your passion and opinion with regard to Corbyn and his socialist views but he and them will never be viewed as acceptable to the majority and therefore will have next to no influence on the country. If the Labour party wishes to be in power (you know, the main thing a political party tries to achieve) then it has recognised that it does not stand a chance with the same policies of Corbyn, Kinnock, Foot, et al.

[banjodeano 31]

Just now, sheffbag said:

In your opinion

It was the right choice for the country evidently given the majority the Conservative party have following the election. Mine or your opinion matters not one jot.

I respect your passion and opinion with regard to Corbyn and his socialist views but he and them will never be viewed as acceptable to the majority and therefore will have next to no influence on the country. If the Labour party wishes to be in power (you know, the main thing a political party tries to achieve) then it has recognised that it does not stand a chance with the same policies of Corbyn, Kinnock, Foot, et al.

perhaps you may be right, but they are my beliefs, perhaps i will change my mind in later years, but i very much doubt it,  for now i see  socialism as the way forward, after all we did build the NHS .....i will just wait until everyone catches up

[Arnold_Lane 0]

6 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

here you go...0.1% of party members were found to have made antisemitic comennts

https://labourlist.org/2019/02/jennie-formby-provides-numbers-on-labour-antisemitism-cases/?fbclid=IwAR1p_7bbmozMxqQEnlWncwUEq2F_tYrAsmx73zXUQtjsatr60YAeFxZPstQ

Go and read your own beloved report.

 

[banjodeano 31]

2 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said:

Go and read your own beloved report.

 

not 860 pages thanks

[Arnold_Lane 0]

Just now, banjodeano said:

not 860 pages thanks

Says it all.

 

Next time, when you rely on something so heavily to make your argument, you should really understand what it's saying first.  It was written plain as day on page 11 Deano.  I mean, come on!

[nikki-red 307]

The bickering and personal comments end here. 

[Longcol 598]

3 hours ago, banjodeano said:

Thanks, i will give you that one, 

 

but the report  shows how right-wing Labour officials sabotaged the party during Jeremy Corbyn’s time as leader, and The report blows apart the myth that Corbyn’s LOTO – Leader of the Opposition’s Office – was responsible for undermining efforts to deal effectively with antisemitism in the party. It instead shows that Blairite officials, motivated by hostility to Corbyn’s left-wing politics, made a concerted effort to scupper the handling of complaints.

https://www.counterfire.org/articles/analysis/21098-labour-s-explosive-report-shows-how-right-wing-officials-sabotaged-the-party

Why did it take 3 years for these alleged events about the 2017 election, from an anonymous author, to come to light -surprisingly  just as the Corbyn faction was losing power.

 

Smacks of desperation to me