The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[banjodeano 31]

2 minutes ago, melthebell said:

what i think is...i wont be voting labour the next election like i have the last two (tactically, as i thought it was the best way to get the tories out), obviously it isnt , as BOTH factions are that busy fighting each other and leaving the worst tory governments in living memory free to do whatever they want.

so you wouldnt like to offer an opinion on the leaked report that showed top party members were deliberately using fake  anti semitism as a weapon to make sure the party was unelectable?

[melthebell 862]

7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

so you wouldnt like to offer an opinion on the leaked report that showed top party members were deliberately using fake  anti semitism as a weapon to make sure the party was unelectable?

sigh

 

BOTH factions are at each others throats, BOTH factions are petty, pointless and stupid, BOTH factions need to stop the infighting and fight the tories, BOTH factions have created a point where there ISNT a credible opposition to the tories, they can just ride ripshod through anything they like cheating and lying as they go.

 

Again ill spell it out, the public dont want a socialist style government, history has shown that, STOP focussing on one tiny thing that may or may not have stopped them getting elected (history shows they wouldnt have anyway) and focus on getting the tories out.

Edited June 28, 2020 by melthebell

[banjodeano 31]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

sigh

 

BOTH factions are at each others throats, BOTH factions are petty, pointless and stupid, BOTH factions need to stop the infighting and fight the tories, BOTH factions have created a point where there ISNT a credible opposition to the tories, they can just ride ripshod through anything they like cheating and lying as they go.

But the Blairites in the party are the Tories, they would fit right at home in the Tory party....why they are in the labour party is beyond me, and if the party ever got elected with the likes of Starmer at the helm, you can bet your bottom dollar that nothing much would change from what the Tories now offer.....i find it quite odd that you blame the labour party for the mess that the tories are creating, by saying if labour dont get elected then they are to blame, what an absurd view that is, nope, the only people to blame are the Tories and the Tory voters

[melthebell 862]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

But the Blairites in the party are the Tories, they would fit right at home in the Tory party....why they are in the labour party is beyond me, and if the party ever got elected with the likes of Starmer at the helm, you can bet your bottom dollar that nothing much would change from what the Tories now offer.....i find it quite odd that you blame the labour party for the mess that the tories are creating, by saying if labour dont get elected then they are to blame, what an absurd view that is, nope, the only people to blame are the Tories and the Tory voters

i blame labour for not being a credible opposition to halt the tories "mess" that is all, nice try, but you failed on turning what i said. and thats not helped by yet, more factionalism from you, which gets labour and a credible opposition to the tories NOWHERE

Sad to say it but you and the "blairites" are that entrenched in your own views, labour are dead, both sets have killed them. if starmer doesnt garner enough support this next election its over.

[banjodeano 31]

3 minutes ago, melthebell said:

i blame labour for not being a credible opposition to halt the tories "mess" that is all, nice try, but you failed on turning what i said. and thats not helped by yet, more factionalism from you, which gets labour and a credible opposition to the tories NOWHERE

Sad to say it but you and the "blairites" are that entrenched in your own views, labour are dead, both sets have killed them. if starmer doesnt garner enough support this next election its over.

Starmer will never gain the support of the left whilst he makes the choices of getting rid of people like RBL on trumped up antisemitism charges, he talks about unity but has no intention of uniting the left and the right within the party,  the talk about unity is a sham, why didnt he talk about unity when the blairites were knifing Corbyn in the back? the right now want to talk about unity now they have control of the party

[tinfoilhat 11]

3 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Starmer will never gain the support of the left whilst he makes the choices of getting rid of people like RBL on trumped up antisemitism charges, he talks about unity but has no intention of uniting the left and the right within the party,  the talk about unity is a sham, why didnt he talk about unity when the blairites were knifing Corbyn in the back? the right now want to talk about unity now they have control of the party

Then get used to unchallenged Tory rule for another decade then.

[banjodeano 31]

5 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Then get used to unchallenged Tory rule for another decade then.

If people want a tory government, let them get on with it i say.....

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

If people want a tory government, let them get on with it i say.....

Not sure if serious?

[melthebell 862]

2 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

If people want a tory government, let them get on with it i say.....

you just dont get it do you? YOU are part of the problem, YOU are allowing the tories unfettered rule, thats unforgivable

Edited June 28, 2020 by melthebell

[banjodeano 31]

3 minutes ago, melthebell said:

you just dont get it do you? YOU are part of the problem, YOU are allowing the tories unfettered rule, thats unforgivable

No, you dont get it, i am part of no problem, its called democracy, if people want a tory government, it is not my  problem, let them get on with it, but there is no way that i will support a labour party led by a Tory lite, i would support a socialist labour party only, if we are going to be a tory lite party, i may as well go vote for the liberals....

Have you ever read the book "ragged trousered philanthropist"? one section tells how the starving impoverished working class poor, barely able to feed themselves denounce socialism as a nasty evil power, the story goes on to tell to you how the two groups of people wave their flags, some  for the tories and some for the liberals, they debate and fight each other and come to blows about which party would be best, but none of them realise that their life will not be changed one iota when their party gets elected, they will still be poor and starving, but they are happy because their party got elected.....

[melthebell 862]

14 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

No, you dont get it, i am part of no problem, its called democracy, if people want a tory government, it is not my  problem, let them get on with it, but there is no way that i will support a labour party led by a Tory lite, i would support a socialist labour party only, if we are going to be a tory lite party, i may as well go vote for the liberals....

Have you ever read the book "ragged trousered philanthropist"? one section tells how the starving impoverished working class poor, barely able to feed themselves denounce socialism as a nasty evil power, the story goes on to tell to you how the two groups of people wave their flags, some  for the tories and some for the liberals, they debate and fight each other and come to blows about which party would be best, but none of them realise that their life will not be changed one iota when their party gets elected, they will still be poor and starving, but they are happy because their party got elected.....

funny thing you brought that up as because of the infighting in the labour party, i sadly think the impoverished ARENT going to be helped in any shape or form. you dont get to help people being eternally in opposition without power.

Edited June 28, 2020 by melthebell

[Arnold_Lane 0]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

I think i dislike them on equal terms, but at least with the tories you know who the enemy is..

so what do you think of the leaked report that showed top party members were deliberately using fake  anti semitism as a weapon to make sure the party was unelectable?

Who commissioned and who wrote the leaked report?
 

People claiming fake anti-Semitism is exactly the reason Starmer fired RLB.