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52 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

Labours sudden shift further left after Corbyn was elected failed to carry its traditional voters with it. You and others of your socialist beliefs keep calling those who are more centrist has Tory lite. I’ve said before I believe the average voter stands on the middle ground of politics they don’t in the main pay much attention to the extremes being it left or right. You may not call your socialist beliefs extreme but in the main others do at this moment in time.

to be perfectly honest, i think a lot of the traditional labour voters had already been lost, i think they had become  disillusioned with the party even before Corbyn came to power, and the stance on Brexit just about finished it off, one thing that i do find odd is that Starmer was one of the main ones pushing  for the second referendum. and  now it all went pete tong he has distanced himself from his own part in the party's downfall.

I speak to loads of working class people, and i will be honest, 90% of them hate corbyn, but when you push them on the reasons why, they can never give a proper answer, and when i ask them about the policies which they very rarely know about, they usually think that they sound okay..but they hate Corbyn and will not vote for him, i also notice how the media are starting to call Rebecca Baily,  Corbyn mark 2, this is all very subtle, so that when she gets elected , she will be demonised  because she has been connected to Corbyn, unfortunately she will face the same abuse as Corbyn because she is a socialist.

Also, i am surprised that no one has mentioned the intervention by the Board of Deputies on this thread, they are also wanting to dictate events within the party

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21 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

to be perfectly honest, i think a lot of the traditional labour voters had already been lost, i think they had become  disillusioned with the party even before Corbyn came to power, and the stance on Brexit just about finished it off, one thing that i do find odd is that Starmer was one of the main ones pushing  for the second referendum. and  now it all went pete tong he has distanced himself from his own part in the party's downfall.

I speak to loads of working class people, and i will be honest, 90% of them hate corbyn, but when you push them on the reasons why, they can never give a proper answer, and when i ask them about the policies which they very rarely know about, they usually think that they sound okay..but they hate Corbyn and will not vote for him, i also notice how the media are starting to call Rebecca Baily,  Corbyn mark 2, this is all very subtle, so that when she gets elected , she will be demonised  because she has been connected to Corbyn, unfortunately she will face the same abuse as Corbyn because she is a socialist.

Also, i am surprised that no one has mentioned the intervention by the Board of Deputies on this thread, they are also wanting to dictate events within the party

I think hate is a little strong. Corbyn undoubtedly is a good orator and campaigner but has for being PM I personally don’t think he would have been up to the job. I’m far from your or his politics but I admire you for sticking by them and that’s what makes me proud of our democracy.

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3 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

I think hate is a little strong. Corbyn undoubtedly is a good orator and campaigner but has for being PM I personally don’t think he would have been up to the job. I’m far from your or his politics but I admire you for sticking by them and that’s what makes me proud of our democracy.

I also don't think he would have been a great leader, but good enough, he has his faults, but I believe is honesty and fair play would have been enough,  I believe he was the best choice in the last two elections, I think one of his downfalls was not being tough enough, he had people plotting his downfall, and then offered them a conciliatory position in the cabinet, which in turn proved to be a waste of time and took as a sign of weakness, but overall he was up to the job, his policies were right, and I believe history will prove this.

As for hate, I think that is the correct word, but then it may be just the circle of people I work with, but they really do not have a nice word for him,

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18 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Why does it matter what they look like? I notice that you are only concerned with the appearance of the female candidates 

 

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I am not only concerned with the appearance of only the females , I just happen to be following Barron 99 conversation  when he mentioned the female Emily Thornberry. 

If it's  the males you want to discuss how about Corbyn,  have you noticed how he has smartened  himself up in the past year with the prospect of becoming the next PM.

He still wears wonky glasses though and not to mention Michael  Foot with his scraggy old donkey jacket.

If you don't  think presentation  matters then that says a lot of you.

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23 minutes ago, jaffa1 said:

I am not only concerned with the appearance of only the females , I just happen to be following Barron 99 conversation  when he mentioned the female Emily Thornberry. 

If it's  the males you want to discuss how about Corbyn,  have you noticed how he has smartened  himself up in the past year with the prospect of becoming the next PM.

He still wears wonky glasses though and not to mention Michael  Foot with his scraggy old donkey jacket.

If you don't  think presentation  matters then that says a lot of you.

You do realise that Michael Foot didn't wear a donkey jacket (that from the Telegraph no less).

 

Right wing newspapers have something of a trope about Labour leaders wearing something inappropriate to the Cenotaph. They even had a go a Corbyn for wearing a rain coat - the reality was "old man wears clothing appropriate for the weather."

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54 minutes ago, altus said:

You do realise that Michael Foot didn't wear a donkey jacket (that from the Telegraph no less).

 

Right wing newspapers have something of a trope about Labour leaders wearing something inappropriate to the Cenotaph. They even had a go a Corbyn for wearing a rain coat - the reality was "old man wears clothing appropriate for the weather."

I remember seeing him in his jacket - the only one I saw - and wondered what was going through his mind. I knew what the media would say, his advisors knew what the media would say, and so they did. I did have a quiet chuckle. 

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2 hours ago, altus said:

You do realise that Michael Foot didn't wear a donkey jacket (that from the Telegraph no less).

 

You do realise that Michael Foot DID wear a donkey jacket, I've  seen him on the TV many times in it.

You're  obviously too young to remember.

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9 minutes ago, jaffa1 said:

You do realise that Michael Foot DID wear a donkey jacket, I've  seen him on the TV many times in it.

You're  obviously too young to remember.

I'm both old enough to remember it and young enough to have not needed glasses at the time.

 

This page has a picture of him with other party leaders at the Cenotaph. If you are so sure it's a donkey jacket, where are the shoulder patches?

 

Here's a page with a picture of a donkey jacket in case your memory has faded about them and another with Michael Foot's actual jacket.

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7 minutes ago, altus said:

I'm both old enough to remember it and young enough to have not needed glasses at the time.

 

This page has a picture of him with other party leaders at the Cenotaph. If you are so sure it's a donkey jacket, where are the shoulder patches?

 

Here's a page with a picture of a donkey jacket in case your memory has faded about them and another with Michael Foot's actual jacket.

wow, Michael Foots jacket came from Harrods no less

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39 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

wow, Michael Foots jacket came from Harrods no less

They could easily have attacked him for having a 'posh expensive jacket from Harrods' whilst being truthful but for some reason they preferred to lie about it. Mind you, people, even now, still believe the lie so it was undoubtedly very effective.

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1 hour ago, altus said:

I'm both old enough to remember it and young enough to have not needed glasses at the time.

 

This page has a picture of him with other party leaders at the Cenotaph. If you are so sure it's a donkey jacket, where are the shoulder patches?

 

Here's a page with a picture of a donkey jacket in case your memory has faded about them and another with Michael Foot's actual jacket.

Get real , he went to more places  than the Cenotaph and at least he had the dignity  not to wear it there.

Just because you never saw news casts  and pictures with him wearing it doesn't  mean to say it didn't  happen.

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23 minutes ago, jaffa1 said:

Get real , he went to more places  than the Cenotaph and at least he had the dignity  not to wear it there.

Just because you never saw news casts  and pictures with him wearing it doesn't  mean to say it didn't  happen.

It doesn’t, you are correct.

 

Perhaps you could show us some evidence that it did happen. Shouldn’t be too tricky, photos were invented in the 19th century.

 

 

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