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5 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

it was far deeper than that, he was a leftie, she is a tory lite, the membership voted Corbyn to lead the party, i guess you dont like democracy then...

I don't like blind obedience in following an obviously disastrous course of action (obvious to anyone who wasn't in the labour left echo chamber).

 

Many Labour members correctly openly disagreed with and protested against the democratically elected leader over Iraq.

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1 minute ago, Longcol said:

I don't like blind obedience in following an obviously disastrous course of action (obvious to anyone who wasn't in the labour left echo chamber).

 

Many Labour members correctly openly disagreed with and protested against the democratically elected leader over Iraq.

but they didnt openly try to remove their democratically elected leader did they?? they voiced their concerns, but didnt plot to remove their leader...

19 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I’m questioning that claim.

 

The election process is far from democratic.  It is dominated by disproportionately represented pressure groups. It is also very vulnerable to entryists and to vote rigging.

 

Its far from a democratic process.

so i guess you will agree that Johnson wasnt democratically elected then? i mean it wasn't exactly a level playing field, what with the media nearly 100% behind him...

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7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

but they didnt openly try to remove their democratically elected leader did they?? they voiced their concerns, but didnt plot to remove their leader...

 

 

Because it would have been futile - Blair had won two general elections and the only remotely credible candidate was Brown.

 

Corbyn meanwhile was viewed as going nowhere fast and likely to end in disaster.

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4 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Because it would have been futile - Blair had won two general elections and the only remotely credible candidate was Brown.

 

Corbyn meanwhile was viewed as going nowhere fast and likely to end in disaster.

viewed as going nowhere by the right wingers in the party who sowed  nothing but division from day one, do you think they actually gave him a chance? come on.... did they actually give him a chance?  thats a serious question for you Longcol

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1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

viewed as going nowhere by the right wingers in the party who sowed  nothing but division from day one, do you think they actually gave him a chance? come on.... did they actually give him a chance?  thats a serious question for you Longcol

Forgive me if I butt in, but a lot of them did. Moreover, the tories were hugely divided as well. And they won.

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1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

viewed as going nowhere by the right wingers in the party who sowed  nothing but division from day one, do you think they actually gave him a chance? come on.... did they actually give him a chance?  thats a serious question for you Longcol

He was given every chance and had tight control over the party - hence the disastrous manifesto.

 

Look where it led.

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1 minute ago, Longcol said:

He was given every chance and had tight control over the party - hence the disastrous manifesto.

 

Look where it led.

no he wasnt, Peter Mandelson admits attempting to undermine Corbyn ‘every day’, this was from day one, have another go Longcol....there were many like him in the party....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-admits-attempting-to-undermine-corbyn-every-day-video

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38 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

 

so i guess you will agree that Johnson wasnt democratically elected then? i mean it wasn't exactly a level playing field, what with the media nearly 100% behind him...

I agree 100% with that

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16 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

no he wasnt, Peter Mandelson admits attempting to undermine Corbyn ‘every day’, this was from day one, have another go Longcol....there were many like him in the party....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-admits-attempting-to-undermine-corbyn-every-day-video

How did Mandy prevent Corbyn's disastrous manifesto? How did he stop Corbyn appearing next to useless at Prime Ministers Question Time?

May would give Corbyn an open goal and he'd still put the ball in his own net.

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23 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

no he wasnt, Peter Mandelson admits attempting to undermine Corbyn ‘every day’, this was from day one, have another go Longcol....there were many like him in the party....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-admits-attempting-to-undermine-corbyn-every-day-video


 

 

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10 hours ago, Longcol said:

How did Mandy prevent Corbyn's disastrous manifesto? How did he stop Corbyn appearing next to useless at Prime Ministers Question Time?

May would give Corbyn an open goal and he'd still put the ball in his own net.

but thats just your opinion,  his manifesto was quite progressive and was supported by a lot of the countries top economists, but hey dont let facts get in the way of a good argument,


https://www.ft.com/content/d29b4cbe-0fa4-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

Michael Jacobs, professor of political economy at Sheffield university, who co-ordinated the letter, said it had been surprisingly easy to find economists willing to sign. “The easiest thing for academic economists to do is sit on the fence,” he said, adding that “although academics generally do not go out on a limb, most had been willing to say that the UK faced a big choice and that enough of Labour’s programme accords with their own views”. Five who took the lead in promoting the letter included David Blanchflower, professor of economics at Dartmouth College, in the US, who publicly fell out with Jeremy Corbyn, writing in 2016 that under Mr Corbyn: “Labour does not seem to have a credible economic plan.”

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12 hours ago, banjodeano said:

what a load of old tosh.....pressure groups are involved in every elections,  are they not?

how is it vulnerable to vote rigging?

it was far deeper than that, he was a leftie, she is a tory lite, the membership voted Corbyn to lead the party, i guess you dont like democracy then...

Labours sudden shift further left after Corbyn was elected failed to carry its traditional voters with it. You and others of your socialist beliefs keep calling those who are more centrist has Tory lite. I’ve said before I believe the average voter stands on the middle ground of politics they don’t in the main pay much attention to the extremes being it left or right. You may not call your socialist beliefs extreme but in the main others do at this moment in time.

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