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4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Wow that 74% poll sums up the situation perfectly.They really need to take note (but it looks like they are not)

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3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Sufficient to have given Labour a majority if it wasn't for Brexit?

 

What is your reference group for "a lot of people"? All reports I read from a cross section of the press (and mainly the Grauniad and Independent) said the manifesto went down like a rat sandwich on the doorstep.

who knows, i think he may have shocked a lot of people, got a majority? i would like to think so, as i have said before, Corbyn did quite well in the 2017 election, okay he lost, but he increased labours share of the vote when he was forecast to get a good thrashing from May, he had the same policies then, everyone knew he was a socialist, why didnt he get annihilated in 2017??

I completely disagree that his manifesto went down like a lead balloon, a lot of his policies were popular with the electorate, i came across a study that was done and people were polled on his policies, obviously they were not told that they were Corbyn's policies, but just random questions that would you like to see the railways privatised etc, and the policies had a very good response, but for the life of me i cant find the survey that i thought i had bookmarked

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10 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Indeed.

 

I’ve never understood why the hard left prefer Tory government  to centre left government . That’s the reality of the effect of the momentum project ( and Millitant, before them).

oh Tom, please give it a rest with the momentum nonsense, its not about momentum, dont keep getting sidelined by the labels, its about a certain group of the working class people who see a better and fairer future for everyone, what is the momentum membership number? 40.000??  the labour party membership has increased to 500,000 due to Corbyn, momentum really are irrelevant, 

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6 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

who knows, i think he may have shocked a lot of people, got a majority? i would like to think so, as i have said before, Corbyn did quite well in the 2017 election, okay he lost, but he increased labours share of the vote when he was forecast to get a good thrashing from May, he had the same policies then, everyone knew he was a socialist, why didnt he get annihilated in 2017??

I completely disagree that his manifesto went down like a lead balloon, a lot of his policies were popular with the electorate, i came across a study that was done and people were polled on his policies, obviously they were not told that they were Corbyn's policies, but just random questions that would you like to see the railways privatised etc, and the policies had a very good response, but for the life of me i cant find the survey that i thought i had bookmarked

Didn't the problems with those popular policies start when they began to be costed by independent experts / organisations. 

 

I seem to remember that the analysis of the Tories policies found that the country could just about afford them over the life of a Parliament but Labour's were virtually double the cost. 

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1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

oh Tom, please give it a rest with the momentum nonsense, its not about momentum, dont keep getting sidelined by the labels, its about a certain group of the working class people who see a better and fairer future for everyone, what is the momentum membership number? 40.000??  the labour party membership has increased to 500,000 due to Corbyn, momentum really are irrelevant, 

You can believe that if you wish.

 

The truth is that the Labour Party has been infiltrated by the hard left. Momentum is to blame for the mess that the party is in.

 

Of course, momentum aren’t the only entryists. There is also the army of £3 Tories who vote with them to ensure that the party remains a basket case.

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4 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Didn't the problems with those popular policies start when they began to be costed by independent experts / organisations. 

 

I seem to remember that the analysis of the Tories policies found that the country could just about afford them over the life of a Parliament but Labour's were virtually double the cost. 

i dont know, i suppose its where you get your news from, you pays your money and takes your chance...

https://www.pressenza.com/2019/12/labour-party-spending-plans-supported-by-163-leading-economists/

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

You can believe that if you wish.

 

The truth is that the Labour Party has been infiltrated by the hard left. Momentum is to blame for the mess that the party is in.

 

Of course, momentum aren’t the only entryists. There is also the army of £3 Tories who vote with them to ensure that the party remains a basket case.

Naaaaaaa, its only been infiltrated by the men and women from up and down the country who now have a true labour party that is led by a true socialist, lets not forget that the labour was formed by socialists and is actually called a socialist party, 

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7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

 

Naaaaaaa, its only been infiltrated by the men and women from up and down the country who now have a true labour party that is led by a true socialist, lets not forget that the labour was formed by socialists and is actually called a socialist party, 

Full of Tories and students.

 

That’s why Boris has a stonking majority. 
 

You must be proud.

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11 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

i dont know, i suppose its where you get your news from, you pays your money and takes your chance...

https://www.pressenza.com/2019/12/labour-party-spending-plans-supported-by-163-leading-economists/

Naaaaaaa, its only been infiltrated by the men and women from up and down the country who now have a true labour party that is led by a true socialist, lets not forget that the labour was formed by socialists and is actually called a socialist party, 

As you say Banjodeano, you / I, choose where we get out facts from. 

 

You can either choose 163 experts, whom we know not their political leanings or, (& I found where I remember where I got my info from), the BBC's fact check website, with the costings undertaken by the Institute of Financial Studies. 

 

I prefer my source. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50545673

Edited by Baron99

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1 minute ago, Pettytom said:

Full of Tories and students.

 

That’s why Boris has a stonking majority. 
 

You must be proud.

how many tories have joined the labour party? where do you get your facts from?

1 minute ago, Baron99 said:

As you say Banjodeano, you / I, choose where we get out facts from. 

 

You can either choose 163 experts, whom we know not their political leanings or, (& I found where I remember where I got my info from), the BBC's fact check website, with the costings undertaken by the Institute of Financial Studies. 

 

I prefer my source. 

hahaha, the BBC, totally unbiased

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6 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

You missed out the link.  None so blind, as they say. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50545673

erm ....i asked about how many Tories have joined the labour party to influence the labour party election, and you give me a link to the general election spending plans.

yes indeed, none so blind..!!

Edited by banjodeano

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58 minutes ago, Fudbeer said:

Wow that 74% poll sums up the situation perfectly.They really need to take note (but it looks like they are not)

“Used to represent me but now they don’t”

 

BECAUSE WE WANT TO LEAVE EUROPE TO GET OUR LAWS BACK AND GET RID OF THE IMMIGRANTS  AND BORIS IS GOING TO GET IT DONE OBVS

 

 

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