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4 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Stop hiding from the fact that this was Labour's worst defeat in living memory and more of the same won't wash.

stop moving the goal posts Longcol, lets keep on track...you were talking about........" we know Momentum are the 24 hour party (meeting) people who know the rule book inside out and willl get anything overturned that doesn't suit them".....all i did was asked you to explain what you were talking about, and to back it up with facts.....if you cant do that then thats fair enough, but if you make such outlandish claims, expect people to pull you up on it

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Just now, banjodeano said:

stop moving the goal posts Longcol, lets keep on track...you were talking about........" we know Momentum are the 24 hour party (meeting) people who know the rule book inside out and willl get anything overturned that doesn't suit them".....all i did was asked you to explain what you were talking about, and to back it up with facts.....if you cant do that then thats fair enough, but if you make such outlandish claims, expect people to pull you up on it

You've been in denial ever since the catastrophic defeat.

 

Corbynism is dead and buried - continuity Corbynism under Long-Bailey (or any other leader) will only condemn Labour to a further 10 years of Tory government (making 20 in total).

 

Let's talk about that rather than the "rule book" - slighly more relevant I think.

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1 minute ago, Longcol said:

You've been in denial ever since the catastrophic defeat.

 

Corbynism is dead and buried - continuity Corbynism under Long-Bailey (or any other leader) will only condemn Labour to a further 10 years of Tory government (making 20 in total).

 

Let's talk about that rather than the "rule book" - slighly more relevant I think.

Still no facts then? so why make the silly claims if you can not back it up with facts?

okay...lets put it to bed, i think i have made my point

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1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

Still no facts then? so why make the silly claims if you can not back it up with facts?

okay...lets put it to bed, i think i have made my point

Run away again. Still in denial.

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Just now, Longcol said:

Run away again. Still in denial.

run away from what? 

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Just now, banjodeano said:

run away from what? 

The fact that Corbynism was a disaster, is dead and buried, continuity Corbynism isn't the answer unless we want another ren years of the Tories.

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14 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Still no facts then? so why make the silly claims if you can not back it up with facts?

okay...lets put it to bed, i think i have made my point

Here's a fact. Corbyn lost - heavily - against quite possibly the most incompetent government this country has seen, off the back of 10 years of austerity etc etc. And he lost the election before that too.

 

Actually there's more than one fact in there.

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2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

The fact that Corbynism was a disaster, is dead and buried, continuity Corbynism isn't the answer unless we want another ren years of the Tories.

erm....is that running away because i dont agree with you? you seem to be using a strange,  or even bizarre choice of words tonight...

as i said in a previous post, i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

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Just now, banjodeano said:

erm....is that running away because i dont agree with you? you seem to be using a strange,  or even bizarre choice of words tonight...

as i said in a previous post, i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

Like I said - in denial.

 

 

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1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

erm....is that running away because i dont agree with you? you seem to be using a strange,  or even bizarre choice of words tonight...

as i said in a previous post, i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

Corbyn lost because he wasn’t credible. He’s not Prime Minister material and should have stood down years ago for the good of the party.

 

I’m an ex-door knocker and envelope stuffed, by the way. So please don’t patronise me with your tru-socialist nonsense.

 

You momentum types need to realise that the game is over. Whilst you are moaning about paying for broadband, a whole host of people are paying the price of your vanity project.

 

It is time to grow up and recognise what needs to be done to elect a Labour government in four years time.

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18 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Corbyn lost because he wasn’t credible. He’s not Prime Minister material and should have stood down years ago for the good of the party.

 

I’m an ex-door knocker and envelope stuffed, by the way. So please don’t patronise me with your tru-socialist nonsense.

 

You momentum types need to realise that the game is over. Whilst you are moaning about paying for broadband, a whole host of people are paying the price of your vanity project.

 

It is time to grow up and recognise what needs to be done to elect a Labour government in four years time.

By which time the Tories may well have repealed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act so they can hold a GE when it's to their advantage - and re-drawn constituency boundaries to their advantage.

 

Momentum / Stagnation / Paralysis will still be arguing / discussing whether the manifesto should be 50 pages or longer - to be decided by an internet vote where the choices are yes or no (in which case it'll be ignored - or counted as yes).

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8 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Corbyn lost because he wasn’t credible. He’s not Prime Minister material and should have stood down years ago for the good of the party.

 

I’m an ex-door knocker and envelope stuffed, by the way. So please don’t patronise me with your tru-socialist nonsense.

 

You momentum types need to realise that the game is over. Whilst you are moaning about paying for broadband, a whole host of people are paying the price of your vanity project.

 

It is time to grow up and recognise what needs to be done to elect a Labour government in four years time.

Good post.

 

For me their broadband policy summed up how far removed from  voters Corbyn had come.

 

With all the issues that voters are concerned about they come up with a policy that addresses something that virtually nobody has an issue with. and I doubt convinced anyone to vote for them.

 

Its time Labour started listening to its voters again virtually all the surveys say that Corbyn along with his Brexit policy WAS the issue.

 

Yet Long Bailey gives him 10/10 You couldn't make it up!

 

A company that does not listen to its customers does not do well.

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