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31 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

 

 

To a large extent I quite agree. 

 

I've never objected to Labour being a broad church party as they have always been, but lately the radical left seem to have gained far too much power and influence over the leadership. That's why I'm not entirely convinced  Brexit was the only reason Labour lost. 

 

I voted for Labour but I did so half-heartedly, almost voted for the Lib Dems. 

 

As I've said before the country needs a strong challenging opposition party with an inspiring moderate centrist leader, one that is capable of winning an election.

 

So something needs to change because a lot of the public must feel as I do, that they are living  in a one party state. 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Jim Hardie said:

So long as he's paying an obscene amount of tax, what's the problem?

I do appreciate that Jim, I pay a lot more tax pro rata than Mr Klopp, £70 per month, and it flaming hurts.

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14 hours ago, the_bloke said:

Centre and Right leaning press don't like Corbyn and his ideas shocker. Centre and Right leaning consumers of Centre and Right leaning press agree that they don't like his ideas. No shocker.

 

The Daily Mirror supports Corbyn. Answer me this; why don't more people buy the Daily Mirror?

No one want to put forward an answer?

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57 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

No one want to put forward an answer?

Because the Daily Mirror is more of a comic than a newspaper. Nobody takes it seriously.

 

People who read the Mail (hiighest circulation I believe) think it's  honest, quality journalism, and to be fair, it does run some interesting, well written articles. But where politics are concerned it is just a mouthpiece for the Tory party. It now doesn't even bother to disguise the fact. The bile and villification of Corbyn has been massive, vicious and unrelenting, and has certainly played its part in him losing the election, as it was always intended to do. 

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Because the Daily Mirror is more of a comic than a newspaper. Nobody takes it seriously.

 

People who read the Mail (hiighest circulation I believe) think it's  honest, quality journalism, and to be fair, it does run some interesting, well written articles. But where politics are concerned it is just a mouthpiece for the Tory party. It now doesn't even bother to disguise the fact. The bile and villification of Corbyn has been massive, vicious and unrelenting, and has certainly played its part in him losing the election, as it was always intended to do. 

Not just the Mail though is it. It's more or less the whole of the printed Media with the possible exception of the Mirror, and as I don't read it I may be wrong. That bastion of centrist liberal tolerance the Guardian printed daily attacks on Corbyn calling him anti Semitic. The editor of the paper Jonathan Freedland is a secular liberal Zionist and repeated his attacks on Corbyn on BBC Question Time, conveniantly enough in Finchley where George Galloway on that particular occasion was the sacrificial lamb. The Jewish Voice for Labour and Socialist Jewish Group were all described as the " wrong type of Jew" as they all supported Corbyn. The film director Ken Loach mentioned the constant criticism of Corby by the Guardian, saying " I'm done with the Guardian"

 

I canvassed in my local constituency, so I know what people were saying on the doorstep, eg " why does Corbyn release all those killers onto the street"  I kid you not.

 

When the dust settles and Corbyn disappears into history, there will be academic studies into the demonising of a decent human being and it's effect on voting behaviour. eg A   Paradigm Study of Disinformation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

From Jess Phillips.  A few on here would be wise to heed her words.

 

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2 hours ago, Padders said:

I do appreciate that Jim, I pay a lot more tax pro rata than Mr Klopp, £70 per month, and it flaming hurts.

You shouldn't be. Perhaps I'm being naive here but he should be paying tax on £14.85m of his wedge at 45%.

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1 minute ago, Jim Hardie said:

You shouldn't be. Perhaps I'm being naive here but he should be paying tax on £14.85m of his wedge at 45%.

Crikey, leaves him a paltry 8m (approx.) to get by on.

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4 minutes ago, Padders said:

Crikey, leaves him a paltry 8m (approx.) to get by on.

But pro rata it would be less than you. :)

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17 minutes ago, Jim Hardie said:

But pro rata it would be less than you. :)

Meanwhile Jim,  Tamara Ecclestone has had 50m pounds worth of jewellery stolen from home.. What...

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

Because the Daily Mirror is more of a comic than a newspaper. Nobody takes it seriously.

 

People who read the Mail (hiighest circulation I believe) think it's  honest, quality journalism, and to be fair, it does run some interesting, well written articles. But where politics are concerned it is just a mouthpiece for the Tory party. It now doesn't even bother to disguise the fact. The bile and villification of Corbyn has been massive, vicious and unrelenting, and has certainly played its part in him losing the election, as it was always intended to do. 

The Daily Mirror is the only working class Labour supporting newspaper, and it's seen a steady decrease in readership since the 1980's, when right wing newspapers saw an increase. 

 

Is it 

 

a) Because the readership thought 'this quality of this newspaper is poor, I'll buy the Sun instead'

 

or 

 

b) The editorial political direction of this newspaper is no longer something I agree with, I'll buy the Sun instead'

 

I'm not sure why you think the Daily Mail, a well known right leaning Conservative supporting newspaper would do anything but criticise Corbyn. The owners of the Mail are a business, they make money, they aren't there to provide an unbiased public service to the politically uneducated. They know their market, in the same way the Daily Mirror does. It's just that in the case of the Mirror, the market isn't there anymore (their readership is down to the 500k mark) because fewer people identify with being 'old-new Labour left wing' working class than ever before.

 

As has been shown by multiple traditional working class communities voting Conservative. What is now the 'left wing' isn't something they can identify with anymore. That meme of 'Labour 1975' of a miner compared to 'Labour 2019' of Eddie Izzard in drag springs to mind.

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