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27 minutes ago, Longcol said:

The lead in the polls was short lived - Limehouse Declaration was 81.

Yes, exactly.

 

"Some rightwing Labour MPs who later defected to the Social Democratic party (SDP) voted for Foot rather than Healey in the hope of wrecking the party" - and when that didn't work, they wrecked the party by defecting.

Edited by CaptainSwing

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Just now, Anna B said:

And the most amazing thing is he wasn't even Labour.

Yes he was - the only leader to make Labour electable - unless you want Labour to be a permanent party of opposition.

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1 minute ago, CaptainSwing said:

Yes, exactly.

And Militant were spooking anyone to the right of Trotsky with their entryism.

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3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Yes he was - the only leader to make Labour electable - unless you want Labour to be a permanent party of opposition.

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

 

 

How depressing is that?

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5 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

 

 

Your idea is simply the truth but momentum will take some shifting now , but a move to the centre is the only way back to popularity.

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3 hours ago, Padders said:

Reading today Anna, Jurgen Klopp signed a new contract with Liverpool 15million a YEAR for 4yrs running a football club, absolutely stinks.

Something wrong with a system that allows people to make obscene amounts of money, while the rest of us uneducated peasants struggle on the minimum wage.

So long as he's paying an obscene amount of tax, what's the problem?

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8 minutes ago, Longcol said:

And Militant were spooking anyone to the right of Trotsky with their entryism.

Indeed - that's why they were proscribed by the NEC in December 1982, and the leaders expelled soon afterwards.

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19 minutes ago, Anna B said:

And the most amazing thing is he wasn't even Labour.

What does that tell you?

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56 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

Not everyone has or can afford internet access, though.  If only it were available for free …

 

The amount of people who do not have internet access in this country is tiny about 7% and of that at least half do not want it.Much cheaper to just give that tiny % it for free.

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18 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

How would you define "the centre"?

 

In what way are Labour not "patriotic"?

 

6 minutes ago, Fudbeer said:

The amount of people who do not have internet access in this country is about 7% and of that at least half do not want it.

I'll take your word for it.  Hardly an issue that swung the election though.  Not unpopular, more just "meh".

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12 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

How would you define "the centre"?

 

In what way are Labour not "patriotic"?

1) Making a strong case for quality, well funded public services - health, education, social services, social security. Nationalisation only needed if a service was demonstrably failing and posing unacceptable risks to the public / national economy/

 

2) Corbyn's previous support as a backbencher for the IRA etc appears to have weighed heavily against him reading various articles - for example;

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/15/blair-old-seat-sedgefield-rejected-corbyn-perceived-unpatriotic

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