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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

He'll tax firms that do make profits like Amazon, who paid just £11.9million on sales of £5.3Billion. That's a lower percantage rate than I pay!

And there are others like them. JC is not going after the small and Medium sized businesses, or the big guys who pay the proper rate, just the one's who are taking the mick.

 

Yeah yeah blah blah. Heard it all before Anna.

 

Of course corporations should be paying less percentage rate than an individual.  The world of business and particularly large corporations employ millions of people, creates investment keeps the economy moving.    Civil service doesn't make money it just spends it.  

 

I get fed up with this constant simplistic argument that the rich must be taxed more as if it's even that simple.

 

You say Amazon makes sales of 5.3 billion but where exactly did they make those sales?  How much that sales total resulted in a profit? How much was deemed as loss? How much are overheads?   How much are assets and loans and interest and charges?  What countries has the overall control? What country has the tax collection?  What subsidiary applies to the figures and where is that subsidiary located? 

 

Amazon just like any other company pays what the law in the relevant jurisdiction says they have to pay.    That law is an extremely complex,  contradictory and confusing world.   Even more so for huge global corporations operating out of multiple jurisdictions with multiple different tax laws.

 

"... Oh change the laws then..." They all simplisticly scream.    Maybe people need to  go to take a proper look at how that actually happens.   

 

Some people need a reality check as to how laws are actually made and the parliamentary process.  See how long it actually takes for a bill to be presented, the readings, the debates, the votes, the amendments, second readings, third readings, approval, escalation to the lords, readings, debates,  further amendments, second readings, escalation for royal assent.....

 

I'm sick to death of Labour's solution to everything being "...tax the rich..."   It's a pathetic cop-out.

 

Don't you bet your life that he won't go after small and medium enterprises either.  Labour will never be satisfied until they finish spending other people's money.  Even more so when Jezza wakes up to the reality that is not so easy to keep increasing tax on big corporations as he seems to think.

 

Just like any other sensible organisation who are pushed too far they will simply up sticks and go somewhere else.   See how that plays out to the economy.  See how consumers like it if a their favourite company suddenly stopped operating in the UK.

 

Typical soundbites.  Just another load of simplistic, unrealistic, impractical load of hot air from an incompetent weak leader.

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1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

Yeah yeah blah blah. Heard it all before Anna.

 

Of course corporations should be paying less percentage rate than an individual.  The world of business and particularly large corporations employ millions of people, creates investment keeps the economy moving.    Civil service doesn't make money it just spends it.  

 

I get fed up with this constant simplistic argument that the rich must be taxed more as if it's even that simple.

 

You say Amazon makes sales of 5.3 billion but where exactly did they make those sales?  How much that sales total resulted in a profit? How much was deemed as loss? How much are overheads?   How much are assets and loans and interest and charges?  What countries has the overall control? What country has the tax collection?  What subsidiary applies to the figures and where is that subsidiary located? 

 

Amazon just like any other company pays what the law in the relevant jurisdiction says they have to pay.    That law is an extremely complex,  contradictory and confusing world.   Even more so for huge global corporations operating out of multiple jurisdictions with multiple different tax laws.

 

"... Oh change the laws then..." They all simplisticly scream.    Maybe people need to  go to take a proper look at how that actually happens.   

 

Some people need a reality check as to how laws are actually made and the parliamentary process.  See how long it actually takes for a bill to be presented, the readings, the debates, the votes, the amendments, second readings, third readings, approval, escalation to the lords, readings, debates,  further amendments, second readings, escalation for royal assent.....

 

I'm sick to death of Labour's solution to everything being "...tax the rich..."   It's a pathetic cop-out.

 

Don't you bet your life that he won't go after small and medium enterprises either.  Labour will never be satisfied until they finish spending other people's money.  Even more so when Jezza wakes up to the reality that is not so easy to keep increasing tax on big corporations as he seems to think.

 

Just like any other sensible organisation who are pushed too far they will simply up sticks and go somewhere else.   See how that plays out to the economy.  See how consumers like it if a their favourite company suddenly stopped operating in the UK.

 

Typical soundbites.  Just another load of simplistic, unrealistic, impractical load of hot air from an incompetent weak leader.

You mean like James Dyson, who moved to Singapore without any help from Jeremy Corbyn? 

Seems they leave when the Conservatives are in Charge.

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2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Clown leading the Party resignation. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50467321

 

 

John Thomas is a big mate of Jim the washing machine salesman.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/keith-vaz-faces-parliamentary-ban-over-drugs-for-sex-workers-scandal

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4 hours ago, Anna B said:

You mean like James Dyson, who moved to Singapore without any help from Jeremy Corbyn? 

Seems they leave when the Conservatives are in Charge.

So you can’t have it both ways. 

 

Either you agree that businesses will move abroad when taxed more, or they won’t.

 

Saying that someone moved under the Conservatives isn’t a reason to allow Labour to massively ramp up what those businesses pay, driving many many more away. 

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51 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

He was the Chair of the constituency Vaz was MP poor. I’m not sure that necessarily means that they’re ‘big mates’. 

 

Even if they were - what does that prove exactly? Vaz was suspended for legitimate reasons - it’s not like Corbyn kicked him out because he felt like it. 

 

Are you insinuating John resigned because Vaz isn’t seeking re-election? Vas retired and chose not to seek re-election. 

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8 hours ago, Anna B said:

He'll tax firms that do make profits like Amazon, who paid just £11.9million on sales of £5.3Billion. That's a lower percantage rate than I pay!

And there are others like them. JC is not going after the small and Medium sized businesses, or the big guys who pay the proper rate, just the one's who are taking the mick.

 

People who earn less than £80,000 pa have nothing to fear, and a lot to gain by voting Labour. These are the many that Jeremy Corbyn is fighting for. Even those earning more than £80,000 will be treated fairly, and only pay a small exponential increase but will also benefit rom the improved services etc. 

Vote Conservative and only those earning more than 80,000 will gain. 

You do know that there is a difference between sales and profits, don't you?

 

The last time that Labour were in power they did away with the 10p income tax band that benefited the lowest earners in society. How 'fair' is that?

 

No one is safe with Labour.

5 hours ago, Anna B said:

You mean like James Dyson, who moved to Singapore without any help from Jeremy Corbyn? 

Seems they leave when the Conservatives are in Charge.

And if Jezza gets in do you think that they'll all come rushing back or that more will leave?

 

 

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58 minutes ago, BoroB said:

You do know that there is a difference between sales and profits, don't you?

 

The last time that Labour were in power they did away with the 10p income tax band that benefited the lowest earners in society. How 'fair' is that?

 

No one is safe with Labour.

And if Jezza gets in do you think that they'll all come rushing back or that more will leave?

 

 

Defend Amazon and big Corporate tax dodging all you like. It's wrong and you know it. It has to be dealt with.

 

Blairite Labour, so close to the Tories you couldn't get a credit card between them. You can't compare them to JC's Labour, he's put his head on the line to make them different.

 

Businesses weren't exactly rushing into Britain with 10 years of Tory rule.  

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4 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Blairite Labour, so close to the Tories you couldn't get a credit card between them.

 

You can't compare them to JC's Labour, he's put his head on the line to make them different.

Corbyn sure has, he's made them unelectable!

 

Didn't "Blairite Labour" win three elections....?

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11 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Defend Amazon and big Corporate tax dodging all you like. It's wrong and you know it. It has to be dealt with.

 

Blairite Labour, so close to the Tories you couldn't get a credit card between them. You can't compare them to JC's Labour, he's put his head on the line to make them different.

 

Businesses weren't exactly rushing into Britain with 10 years of Tory rule.  

Really? 

 

Figures show the 'stock' of inward foreign direct investment in the UK is at a record high. 

 

https://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/wir2019_en.pdf

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

Defend Amazon and big Corporate tax dodging all you like. It's wrong and you know it. It has to be dealt with.

 

Blairite Labour, so close to the Tories you couldn't get a credit card between them. You can't compare them to JC's Labour, he's put his head on the line to make them different.

 

Businesses weren't exactly rushing into Britain with 10 years of Tory rule.  

Anna - The Labour you desire have been unelectable for 40 years now to the British public (since you denounce the only Labour leader who actually managed to win an election since 1979)

What makes you think

a) It will be different this time around?

b) Where the 80 seats are that Labour would have to win (and not lose any)  in order to form a government?

 

And that's the simple crux - Labour need 80 more seats for a working majority unless they are going to throw their lot in with Jimmy Krankie (who is more obsessed with getting indpendence than a GE so wont be happy with JC proclaming no Independence referendum will be allowed). Where are they and do you think Labour will hold onto every seat they currently hold?

 

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Corbyn got more votes in 2017 than anyone since Blair, in fact with the exception of 1997 you have to go back to 1966 to find someone who beat the 12.8m votes Corbyn managed in 2017.

(yes the population was lower then)

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