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2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

What is the #1 political issue facing the nation at the moment?

But it's still guesswork in guessing why people voted for a 'remain'party, not all might've due to Brexit, a referendum is the only way to gauge it correctly

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5 minutes ago, melthebell said:

But it's still guesswork in guessing why people voted for a 'remain'party, not all might've due to Brexit, 

If a political party stands on a manifesto pledge to revoke article 50, then if elected all they need to do is to revoke Article 50. Are you suggesting that every policy matter in a party’s manifesto is then retested in a referendum after the party wins an election? That’s not how our political system works.

 

Every single credible poll since 2016 has shown a clear majority in favour of remaining in the EU, the biggest and most comprehensive of those showing 55-56% in favour of remaining.

 

Why on earth waste more time on money on an exercise to find out what we already know? 😵

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12 minutes ago, melthebell said:

But it's still guesswork in guessing why people voted for a 'remain'party, not all might've due to Brexit, a referendum is the only way to gauge it correctly

Agree.

 

An outright commitment to remain could be a big vote loser whereas a commitment to  suspend article 50  pending outcome of a second referendum would appear far more attractive and inclusive.

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11 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

b) Labour wins or forms a government with Lib Dems/SNP/Greens whatever.

 

The Lib Dems have made it clear they're not interested in a coalition with Labour.  Greens also have no time for Corbyn and I can't see the SNP joining them.

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53 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If a political party stands on a manifesto pledge to revoke article 50, then if elected all they need to do is to revoke Article 50. Are you suggesting that every policy matter in a party’s manifesto is then retested in a referendum after the party wins an election? That’s not how our political system works.

 

Every single credible poll since 2016 has shown a clear majority in favour of remaining in the EU, the biggest and most comprehensive of those showing 55-56% in favour of remaining.

 

Why on earth waste more time on money on an exercise to find out what we already know? 😵

Not every party matter, just the one, it started with a referendum it should end with one, unless you're scared of the outcome

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55 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If a political party stands on a manifesto pledge to revoke article 50, then if elected all they need to do is to revoke Article 50. Are you suggesting that every policy matter in a party’s manifesto is then retested in a referendum after the party wins an election? That’s not how our political system works.

 

Every single credible poll since 2016 has shown a clear majority in favour of remaining in the EU, the biggest and most comprehensive of those showing 55-56% in favour of remaining.

 

Why on earth waste more time on money on an exercise to find out what we already know? 😵

I seem to remember the vast majority of votes in the 2017 election going to parties that stood on a manifesto to leave the EU. Why do you feel that election was not an election on Brexit but a new election would be? 

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1 hour ago, Robin-H said:

I seem to remember the vast majority of votes in the 2017 election going to parties that stood on a manifesto to leave the EU. Why do you feel that election was not an election on Brexit but a new election would be? 

You must have forgotten that in 2017, both major parties stood on a Leave manifesto so the majority of the electorate had no choice.

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9 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

You must have forgotten that in 2017, both major parties stood on a Leave manifesto so the majority of the electorate had no choice.

Of course they had a choice. They could have voted for one of the parties that wasn't standing on a leave manifesto, or not voted at all.. (The turnout was actually the highest since 1997) 

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18 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not at all.

 

Many Labour (and some Conservative) MPs voted against the withdrawal agreement in the hope and expectation that the whole sorry mess will end in the UK remaining in the EU, which I would say is now the most likely outcome.

 

It is now either no-deal or remain.

Then they the Labour Party should have never have stood on delivering the brexit result. I personally think we will leave without a deal. And if we do leave without a deal those who voted against it in the hope and expectation of reversing the referendum result have no one to blame but themselves.

Edited by hobinfoot

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Do you also have a Year Planner for the Lib Dems, the Greens, the SNP, Plaid Cymru and everyone else who voted against a General Election? 🙄

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