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4 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Re: The five examples above, seeing them through the prism of 'Class struggle' is your perogative but not one I share.  1 or 2 don't even come close.

The abolition of slavery and the emancipation of women were both resisted by the ruling class as was most equal opportunities legislation.

 

The working class is simply everyone who earns a wage (or receives some form of benefit) although many who earn a higher wage choose to describe themselves as middle class now.

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2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That doesnt mean that Labour policy is wrong, it means that certain individuals in the Labour Party are wrong.

No it means Labour can't practice what they preach.

 

If they're going to force every single MP of theirs to follow their 1970s and 1980s mantra, they're going to get no MPs wanting to stand for them.

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William Wilberforce - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce

 

Just because the 'ruling class' (another dodgy term) oppose something dosen't mean that the 'working classes' support it.  All enlightened legistlation in this country has been introduced by the ruling party. 

 

Don't even get us started on the 'Benefit class' .  'Shameless' springs to mind.

 

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2 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

All enlightened legistlation in this country has been introduced by the ruling party.

 

Apart from Cameron’s gay marriage legislation, almost all progressive legislation in this country has been introduced by Labour or Liberal governments.

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4 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Karl Marx - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

 

Another who never worked a day in his life.

Are you suggesting that writing and thinking don’t count as work?

 

Maybe you ought to tell that to J K Rowling (net worth £1.1 billion) and Google (net worth £76 billion).

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8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Are you suggesting that writing and thinking don’t count as work?

 

Maybe you ought to tell that to J K Rowling (net worth £1.1 billion) and Google (net worth £76 billion).

She is one of the fortunate people that get paid for indulging in their hobby, its not "work" to her in real sense as such.

Edited by Nightbird

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1 minute ago, Nightbird said:

She is one of the fortunate people that get paid for indulging in their hobby, its not "work" to her in real sense as such.

It actually is work.

 

Check out the interview with her where she talks about the discipline of having to write even when she doesn’t want to and the awful responsibility of having millions of people around the world, speaking a hundred different languages, relying on her to deliver the most important event in their young lives!

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5 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If Labour didn’t see things in terms of class struggle, what would it make any different from the Lib Dems or even the Conservative Party?

 

And historic battles, particularly victories are very important particularly now at a time when the working class is at a low. The right has always claimed that nothing will ever change. The abolition of slavery, women’s suffrage, trade union rights, abolition of the death penalty, equal opportunities, and a minimum wage were all portrayed as nothing more than pipe dreams that were unachievable. 

 

Celebrating these victories serve as a reminder that things can change if we stand in solidarity with other workers. I was never a big fan of Tony Benn but one thing he was always very good at was opposing ‘miserablism’ on the left and looking at the strengths and positives in life.

What victory does the Durham Miners gala celebrate?

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The abolition of slavery and the emancipation of women were both resisted by the ruling class as was most equal opportunities legislation.

 

The working class is simply everyone who earns a wage (or receives some form of benefit) although many who earn a higher wage choose to describe themselves as middle class now.

Sigh, I can't be bothered just now but it isn't as simple as this.

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39 minutes ago, bendix said:

What victory does the Durham Miners gala celebrate?

Paid holidays, paid tea breaks,  better health and safety standards, shorter working week, 

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5 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Paid holidays, paid tea breaks,  better health and safety standards, shorter working week, 

Industrialists eventually realised that there is little point in producing things if most people couldn't consume what was being produced if they were at work all the time, hence time off.

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