The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Top Cats Hat 10]

5 minutes ago, bendix said:

So genuine question: what’s your take on eight Labour Party employees talking about the issue in the panorama program this week. 

I can’t comment as I didn’t see the programme but I totally agree that the Labour leadership has got itself in a tangle over this whole issue which from what I gather, was the intended subject of the programme.

 

As a genuinely anti racist party, I can understand why the leadership at first reacted with complete indignation at any suggestion that it may be antisemitic. This was read (incorrectly in my opinion) as indifference to the situation which was then used to stoke the fires with further complaints. Very late in the day the leadership realised that this wasn’t going to go away and started acquiescing to all sorts of demands to do this, that and the other. Instead of Corbyn taking ownership of the issue and going on the front foot, he allowed others outside the party to set the agenda and make the running.

 

This led to the completely ludicrous situation where Chris Williamson said at a meeting pretty much what I have just said ie. ‘Labour is being too apologetic and needs to take back control’ and was reported for being antisemitic, suspended, found not guilty (obviously) then was immediately resuspended when the same group of Labour right wingers wrote a letter to Corbyn saying that it was a disgrace that Williamson had not been expelled. The very same people who were criticising Labour for not having a rigorous enough disciplinary procedure were now saying that there should be no real procedure and instead people should be thrown out of the party purely as a matter of political expediency.

 

I have no doubt that emails have been deleted, some people have been frozen out of decision making and there are contradictory statements being made by different parts of the leadership, but not because Labour is antisemitic but because it has completely lost control of the situation and is simply firefighting in an attempt to regain it.  

 

The problem Corbyn has is that this won’t go away.

 

When Corbyn was first elected leader it was said that try as they might, the right wing press will never dig anything up on him as he is a boring politico with no scandals or skeletons in his closet and has such strong principles that they will never find any offshore bank accounts or even as much as a Mars Bar claimed falsely on expenses. But this antisemitism row is absolute manna from heaven for his enemies. What better to attack a man of principle with, than an attack on his principles. Even a clean(ish) bill of health from the ECHR will not make it go away. I’m not sure electorally what difference it will make to Labour. Unfortunately for most right thinking people and the Jewish community itself, I don’t think many of our fellow citizens are remotely interested in antisemitism.

[banjodeano 31]

well well well...

New poll puts Labour six points ahead of the pack after Corbyn backs People’s Vote

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/new-poll-puts-labour-six-points-ahead-of-the-pack-after-corbyn-backs-peoples-vote/12/07/?fbclid=IwAR0yRoR4NDVaHPTm3wenoKyTwbAFx7lJWATx-soYbRFGx__D4wkqsceJfKY

Edited July 12, 2019 by banjodeano

[ECCOnoob 1,029]

2 hours ago, banjodeano said:

well well well...

New poll puts Labour six points ahead of the pack after Corbyn backs People’s Vote

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/new-poll-puts-labour-six-points-ahead-of-the-pack-after-corbyn-backs-peoples-vote/12/07/?fbclid=IwAR0yRoR4NDVaHPTm3wenoKyTwbAFx7lJWATx-soYbRFGx__D4wkqsceJfKY

Pity the silly old fool didn't do it 24 months ago - might have had some meaning.

 

To many it just looks like a last ditch load of hot air to try and get into power.    Dont trust a word he says.

Edited July 12, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[JamesR123 0]

4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The world and it’s dog can’t see it plainly.

 

They know about it because they are told about it on the news everyday, but when you ask for evidence, suddenly everyone is looking at each other going ‘you first’ but nobody actually comes up with anything other than ‘Corbyn called some Palestinian groups ‘friends’ and Naz Shah made a stupid comment about blowing up Israel, neither of which is antisemitic.

Calling Hamas "some Palestinian group" is absurdly disengenuous and very revealing.

 

This group have promised to wipe every Jew from the face of this planet.

 

But they are just some group to you??

 

 

Calling these people friends is a despicable thing to do.  Much worse than if Trump called the KKK his friends.

[Baron99 790]

See that Diane Abbott is now having a go at Tom Watson, asking him to consider his position?  

 

Party in further meltdown. 

[banjodeano 31]

10 hours ago, JamesR123 said:

Calling Hamas "some Palestinian group" is absurdly disengenuous and very revealing.

 

This group have promised to wipe every Jew from the face of this planet.

 

But they are just some group to you??

 

 

Calling these people friends is a despicable thing to do.  Much worse than if Trump called the KKK his friends.

as has been mentioned a million times, that statement has been completely taken out of context

[bendix 10]

Was him retweeting anti-Semitic murals depicting Jews as financiers sitting on the oppressed masses also taken out of context?

 

oh no. That was just a mistake. He didn’t look at it properly before re- circulating it. 

 

Silly mistake. 

 

 

[banjodeano 31]

Just now, bendix said:

Was him retweeting anti-Semitic murals depicting Jews as financiers sitting on the oppressed masses also taken out of context?

 

oh no. That was just a mistake. He didn’t look at it properly before re- circulating it. 

 

Silly mistake. 

 

 

it probably was...we all make mistakes..do you think Corbyn is antisemitic?

[JamesR123 0]

7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

as has been mentioned a million times, that statement has been completely taken out of context

Only by people who refuse to see the wood for the trees.  Trump said "there were good people on both sides", and was vilified because one person on one side killed someone.  Corbyn calls Hamas his friends and you guys defend him.

 

It will be terrifying for the nations, and indeed the world's, Jews if Jeremy gets power.

[banjodeano 31]

3 hours ago, Baron99 said:

See that Diane Abbott is now having a go at Tom Watson, asking him to consider his position?  

 

Party in further meltdown. 

Its not really in meltdown, its the power struggle within the party that has been going off from the day that Corbyn got elected, the right of the party will not recognise the fact that the members have chosen a non Blairite to lead the party, some Blairites stated from day one that they would try their best to undermine Corbyn every day, thats all you need to know

1 minute ago, JamesR123 said:

Only by people who refuse to see the wood for the trees.  Trump said "there were good people on both sides", and was vilified because one person on one side killed someone.  Corbyn calls Hamas his friends and you guys defend him.

 

It will be terrifying for the nations, and indeed the world's, Jews if Jeremy gets power.

and he we go again...yada yada yada, as you know it was taken out of context, it was stated at a meeting to start on good terms, he introduced everyone at the meeting as his friends, but, hey..dont let that spoil your blinkered narrative, 

[JamesR123 0]

51 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Its not really in meltdown, its the power struggle within the party that has been going off from the day that Corbyn got elected, the right of the party will not recognise the fact that the members have chosen a non Blairite to lead the party, some Blairites stated from day one that they would try their best to undermine Corbyn every day, thats all you need to know

and he we go again...yada yada yada, as you know it was taken out of context, it was stated at a meeting to start on good terms, he introduced everyone at the meeting as his friends, but, hey..dont let that spoil your blinkered narrative, 

Me with the blinkered narrative?  You are defending an obvious anti semite.  If a Tory was going to meet a group of people who were promising to exterminate all blacks people, would you be ok if he/she called them friends?  If in the same "context" as Corbyns comments?

 

What he did was worse than Trump saying there are good people both sides.

 

Corbyn has also called them brothers and has said it is a mistake to label Hamas terrorists.

 

He is a dangerous man and I am worried that he has so much support on this forum.

[Baron99 790]

READ ALL ABOUT IT! 

 

Left-wing leader uses Left-wing press to condemn Left-wing media for not failing in line. 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/13/corbyn-decries-bbcs-inaccuracies-over-labour-antisemitism#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

Edited July 13, 2019 by Baron99