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6 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Hang on hang on, Diane Abbott and intellectual in the same sentence?

She is what I’d term as a non-functional. Unable to deal with everyday normal situations or think flexibly but highly intelligent.

 

Ive got friends like that. people with doctorates in niche fields of bioscience for example, but who are unable to plan a shopping trip or buy a bus ticket.

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24 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Young Momentum supporters are socialists first and Corbynistas second.

 

They see Brexit as the most important issue facing the British working-class and are all too aware that a post-Brexit Labour government will be too busy fire fighting an economic crisis to be able to do anything progressive. Labour election manifestos will be burnt by the poor to keep warm in winter.

 

Any replacement would have to be from the left of the party to get the votes of the young membership. I would fancy McDonnell who always comes across well in interviews, is very rarely mugged off by political opponents and I suspect has a very ruthless streak. It’s a shame that Jess Phillips seems to have lost the plot as I think she would make an outstanding Labour leader. So would Dianne Abbot but I’d say she was too intellectual to be popular. Labour’s last highly educated, intellectual working class leader was Harold Wilson but those were the days where education was seen as a positive thing.

I agree with you about John McDonnell coming across well at interviews,  as I thought the same when he I watched him being inteviewed by Andrew Marr recently and I also found him more likable than previously. 

 

So if Labour is going to  be stuck with a left-wing leader for some time I would prefer it was him leading the party rather than Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2019 by janie48

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19 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Clive Lewis on the Politics Live today, another reminder why Labour have little chance of ever getting back into power. The man is deluded. Backing a policy, remain, that will cost Labour an estimated 40 seats at the next General Election.

 

This is if St Jezza has at last made his mind up and got off the fence. Any know the answer, has he or hasn't he now officialy backed remain?.

 

Angel1.

Agree he is deluded possibly the worst leader they have ever had (and I remember Foot!).

 

He also said yesterday the tories should hold a second referendum but would not say if he would do the same incredible even by his own double standards!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48919695

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A very poor interview with Keir Starmer on BBC Breakfast today.

 

I can't help but feel that this latest referendum announcement has caused them more harm than good.

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

So it is now confirmed that St Jezza has fell off the fence post and confirmed that Labour is now officially for Remain, but is it a 100% commitment.

 

This from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, 

 

Jeremy Corbyn has challenged the next Tory leader to hold another referendum before taking Britain out of the EU, saying Labour will campaign for Remain.

Mr Corbyn says the party will take this position to stop "no deal or a damaging Tory Brexit".

But he does not say what he would do if he won a general election and was placed in charge of the Brexit process.

Some senior members of his team want him to take a pro-Remain stance in all circumstances.

 

Maybe that fence post is still embedded in St Jezzas backside.

 

Angel1. 

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19 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Young Momentum supporters are socialists first and Corbynistas second.

 

They see Brexit as the most important issue facing the British working-class and are all too aware that a post-Brexit Labour government will be too busy fire fighting an economic crisis to be able to do anything progressive. Labour election manifestos will be burnt by the poor to keep warm in winter.

 

Any replacement would have to be from the left of the party to get the votes of the young membership. I would fancy McDonnell who always comes across well in interviews, is very rarely mugged off by political opponents and I suspect has a very ruthless streak. It’s a shame that Jess Phillips seems to have lost the plot as I think she would make an outstanding Labour leader. So would Dianne Abbot but I’d say she was too intellectual to be popular. Labour’s last highly educated, intellectual working class leader was Harold Wilson but those were the days where education was seen as a positive thing.

I see you have now entered into writing jokes, I have to admit this one is staggeringly brilliant, well done. I hope there are more to follow. 

 

Angel1

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

So it is now confirmed that St Jezza has fell off the fence post and confirmed that Labour is now officially for Remain, but is it a 100% commitment.

 

This from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, 

 

Jeremy Corbyn has challenged the next Tory leader to hold another referendum before taking Britain out of the EU, saying Labour will campaign for Remain.

Mr Corbyn says the party will take this position to stop "no deal or a damaging Tory Brexit".

But he does not say what he would do if he won a general election and was placed in charge of the Brexit process.

Some senior members of his team want him to take a pro-Remain stance in all circumstances.

 

Maybe that fence post is still embedded in St Jezzas backside.

 

Angel1. 

Exactly he is happy telling the tories  to hold a second referendum but will not say if he would do the same  maybe he should be making his own Brexit policy before telling  others what should be in theirs!

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Dianne Abbot is one of life's great mysteries.

 

Her acheivemnts are staggering.  She attended Oxbridge, she is the first female black MP and the longest ever serving black MP.  She has achieved far more in her life than most of us will in ours.

 

She must be very intelligent.

 

How then, does she come across so thick?

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3 hours ago, JamesR123 said:

Dianne Abbot is one of life's great mysteries.

 

Her acheivemnts are staggering.  She attended Oxbridge, she is the first female black MP and the longest ever serving black MP.  She has achieved far more in her life than most of us will in ours.

 

She must be very intelligent.

 

How then, does she come across so thick?

Well done you for highlighting Diane Abbott's achievements, not many people would acknowledge these and rely on the press for their perception of her.

 

As to your question, we live in age of soundbites and when given and taken out of context I think anyone  for whom the knives were out would not look their best.

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42 minutes ago, max said:

Well done you for highlighting Diane Abbott's achievements, not many people would acknowledge these and rely on the press for their perception of her.

Let’s not beat about the bush. This campaign against Dianne Abbott is no less than thinly veiled racism and misogyny. She makes no more or no less blunders than any other high profile public figure but the attention they receive is way out of all proportion, with the internet full of memes and youtube videos endlessly replaying the same few gaffes, and shared widely on right-wing and far-right websites, forums and facebook groups. She also receives more hate mail and death threats than any other MP, many originating from the same social media.

 

The campaign against her is very insidious. Even posters like Mel who is not only clearly not a racist, but his posts show him to be strongly anti-racist yet he still sees it as appropriate to join in this campaign.

 

On 09/07/2019 at 15:02, melthebell said:

Hang on hang on, Diane Abbott and intellectual in the same sentence?

 

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3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

The campaign against her is very insidious. Even posters like Mel who is not only clearly not a racist, but his posts show him to be strongly anti-racist yet he still sees it as appropriate to join in this campaign.

 

 

im not joining any campaign, ive seen her blunders, nothing more nothing less

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Perhaps they simply listen to her on radio interviews, woefully unprepared and base their opinions on what they hear, not on race.   

 

I had an ex who worked with Abbot in the 1980s.  They were both employed as researchers at what was then Thames TV, and bizarrely both reported to Roger Gale, who went on to become a Tory MP.   The consensus was highly intelligent but completely befuddled all the time.  No attention to detail etc, all of which led to her being booted out where she ended up working in PR and media liasion for, I think, the Mayor or council or something.