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1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

but the big difference is that the unions are funding the party to make it electable, but the Jewish donors money is funding the likes of watson to make it un electable..

BIG DIFFERENCE..

Where is your proof for either claim? 

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1 hour ago, Obelix said:

Has he actually done anything useful Anna, apart from lose an election against the worst Conservative Govt we've seen in decades?

 

He's not single handedly turned anything. He's the tail wagging on the Momentum dog that's all he is.

I'm sorry when did you become the forum police?

 

If you want to shut me up on this thread I assume you've been reading from the momentum playbook.

Yet the broken banjo seems to want to stop discussion of the Labour party when it's inconvenient to him...

 

 

Now attacks - you never wrote something like " not in the same league as 'Twonk' Grayling. " did you? Oh you did?

 

Pot kettle black....

what are you talking about shut you up? your imagination is running wild again Obelix, i quite like our jousting competitions, i am sorry you feel that way...

1 hour ago, the_bloke said:

Where is your proof for either claim? 

would this be the proof you require?

Secret video reveals Israeli plot to “take down” UK minister

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/secret-video-reveals-israeli-plot-take-down-uk-minister

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1 hour ago, hobinfoot said:

The problem is how the Labour Party is  dealing with anti -semitism. The party itself acknowledges it's got a problem but it seems the left don't accept this.

no - they don't accept it at all. The left thinks the whole palaver of the Labour antisemitism row, is a Jewish conspiracy. 

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1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

They are obsessed. Hundreds of people demonstrating with pro Palestinian and anti Israel placards at protests. Any of them carrying a placard decrying human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia? Or denouncing ISIS? No?

What, you mean like these people?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mohammad-bin-salman-saudi-arabia-protests-downing-street-state-visit-uk-yemen-a8244861.html

Hundreds gather outside Downing Street to protest against Crown Prince's state visit

Hundreds of people gathered outside Downing Street to protest as Theresa May held talks inside with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman.

Protesters chanted “Hands off Yemen - stop the bombing now” and “Stop the killing" as they demanded the UK halt arms sales to the Gulf state, which has been criticised over its bombing campaign in Yemen.

Labour’s Shadow International Development Secretary, Kate Osamor, and Green Party Deputy Leader Amelia Womack were among the speakers.

as for Isis, do you really expect people to stand and demonstrate against isis with placards?

 isnt it just obvious everyone is against isis and a demonstration would be pointless

 

Just now, blake said:

no - they don't accept it at all. They think the whole palaver of the Labour antisemitism row, is a Jewish conspiracy. 

perhaps it is, or did we all just imagine seeing joan ryan talking to Shai Masot, a senior political officer at the Israeli embassy in London, plotting to “take down”  MP's..?

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5 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

And yet I don't see the same people protesting with quite as much veracity against other governments and regimes that are arguably far worse. Places where women get stoned to death for adultery, for example. I wonder why that is? 🤔

then you really ought to open your eyes or get your news from a different source, 

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what you don't realise is that it is nothing at all new. The far left have always, even decades ago, had a reputation for being  appalling antisemites. The only thing new, is that they've never been in prominent positions in such numbers in the Labour party before.  That is why the whole business has blown up now, and yes they provide the stock antisemite response to explain it, just as if they were Nazis  ; 'Jewish conspiracy'. 

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3 minutes ago, blake said:

what you don't realise is that it is nothing at all new. The far left have always, even decades ago, had a reputation for being  appalling antisemites. The only thing new, is that they've never been in prominent positions in such numbers in the Labour party before.  That is why the whole business has blown up now, and yes they provide the stock antisemite response to explain it, just as if they were Nazis  ; 'Jewish conspiracy'. 

what a complete load of poppycock....the left and the unions were at the forefront of the fight against Mosley blackshirts at Cable street, you are talking none sense sir

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7 hours ago, banjodeano said:

what a complete load of poppycock....the left and the unions were at the forefront of the fight against Mosley blackshirts at Cable street, you are talking none sense sir

there are indeed some great examples of parts of the left fighting antisemitism but if you dig into the history of parts of the left then you will find it's littered with antisemitism.

 

the communist party embraced the hitler-stalin pact and delivered large numbers of jews to the nazis. Stalin launched his own antisemitic project and had he lived longer there would have been another genocide.

 

 

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10 hours ago, andyofborg said:

the communist party embraced the hitler-stalin pact and delivered large numbers of jews to the nazis. Stalin launched his own antisemitic project and had he lived longer there would have been another genocide.

There is an argument that Stalin and the totalitarian regime that was the Soviet Union was neither socialist nor part of the left, but that is probably for another thread.

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

There is an argument that Stalin and the totalitarian regime that was the Soviet Union was neither socialist nor part of the left, but that is probably for another thread.

Isn't Seumas Milne an admirer of Stalin?

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19 hours ago, banjodeano said:

what are you talking about shut you up? your imagination is running wild again Obelix, i quite like our jousting competitions, i am sorry you feel that way...

would this be the proof you require?

Secret video reveals Israeli plot to “take down” UK minister

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/secret-video-reveals-israeli-plot-take-down-uk-minister

No, I asked for proof of either:

 

a) The unions are giving money to Labour and Jeremy Corbyn to make the party electable

b) That some Jewish donors are giving money to Tom Watson to make the Labour party unelectable

 

Your link contains nothing about either claim.

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9 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

No, I asked for proof of either:

 

a) The unions are giving money to Labour and Jeremy Corbyn to make the party electable

b) That some Jewish donors are giving money to Tom Watson to make the Labour party unelectable

 

Your link contains nothing about either claim.

point  A, why else would the unions give the party money? its not for the weekly shopping, its to fund the party to make it electable, i cant even believe you are asking that question, its kind of stupid...what other reason would they be funding the party for???????

Point B, at least you are acknowledging that Watson is funded by money coming from jewish donors, as are the rest of his cronies, and like the rest of his cronies, they are doing their best to undermine the party or fragment it, either way they are making it un electable, 

What do you think about that Ryan tape where she is discussing with  a senior political officer at the Israeli embassy in London about taking out British  MP's...isnt that proof enough that Israel is involving itself in our politics????????

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