The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[ukdobby 224]

I see chuka has pulled out. Sensible chap, but glad I didn't put that quid on him to win the leadership election.

 

If he can't take the pressure of a labour leader vote what he do about running the country?

[tinfoilhat 11]

If he can't take the pressure of a labour leader vote what he do about running the country?

 

He wouldn't need to worry about that for at least a decade but I take your point.

[*_ash_* 88]

If Labour is dead on 9.3 million votes, the Tories are dying too with only 11.3 million.

 

 

Read the rest of the post and the point is clearer, instead of picking a headline and taking it as my only contribution.

 

A ten seat majority is not a strong government, nor is it a big mandate from the electorate.

 

If I meant it literally as dead forever, then I wouldn't haven't written in the very next line...

 

Their new candidates aren't good enough. None of them. With more cuts inevitable, a strong leader would Waltz into the next PM. As it is, you are looking at 2 terms (based on current world events).

 

In fact I've woken up to find that one of them has already realised this and pulled out, so I can't have been far wrong can I?

[Jim Hardie 527]

I see chuka has pulled out. Sensible chap, but glad I didn't put that quid on him to win the leadership election.

 

You would have got your stake back for a non-runner.

[harvey19 541]

I think Labour were a marvellous idea when the party was formed and achieved many great thing for the good of the working class and society at whole.

Now I think it has run its course and it is time for new party without restraints to challenge for the traditional Labour vote.

UKIP appear to be the party to fill the void now the LibDems are fading from favour.

[Harrystottle 10]

UKIP appear to be the party to fill the void now the LibDems are fading from favour.

 

UKIP stand outside the mainstream because they oppose the EU. Any party whether from the left or right will be remorselessly attacked if they do not hold mainstream views; if they are not in fact a virtual mirror image of the other parties.

 

Old Chuka Buttie didn't last long did he? It does indeed make you wonder if the tabloids haven't been digging for dirt on him.

[truman 10]

Old Chuka Buttie didn't last long did he? It does indeed make you wonder if the tabloids haven't been digging for dirt on him.

 

Dropping out of the race won't stop them if they've already started....

[salou4 10]

They all look weak. So far I've not seen single candidate that would inspire me, except for the chap who ruled himself out straight away, (Jarvis?)

[phantom309 10]

It is going to be hard going for Labour as they have to win seats in three sectors and all are different, Scotland at least half of available seats, North of England a few swing seats and the Midlands and South of England 25 to 30 seats but people in the different parts of the country want different things and you cannot please all of the people all the time

[Stoatwobbler 10]

It is going to be hard going for Labour as they have to win seats in three sectors and all are different, Scotland at least half of available seats, North of England a few swing seats and the Midlands and South of England 25 to 30 seats but people in the different parts of the country want different things and you cannot please all of the people all the time

 

Very true. I personally don't think that central control from party HQ is the way forward for any party right now. More power should be given to the party at constituency level.

 

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he is probably just riding out the years of Labour being in the dark before they become electable again.

 

Chuka Umunna has only been an MP for 2010, and in my book we need party leaders to be people of more experience then that. Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg are both cases in point. Less of the careerists fast tracked for promotion would very much be a good thing.

 

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Too right. On cue and in unison, they've all started talking about "aspiration". If they believe in aspiration, why didn't they talk about it until after they had lost? Because they have no "beliefs" as other people would understand it.

 

The only belief they have is that they should be in power - that's the beginning and end of their "belief".

 

The "power for power's sake" tendency in the Labour party does appear to be a major cause of their current woes

[mossdog 10]

Stuff Twitter ubermaus... if people decide there life choices, or political choices, or base their decision making processes on moronic 'headline only' sites then goodness help us all! (though I actually think modern propaganda is almost entirely social media based, and people are becoming thicker as a result... so I've got the prayer book out )

 

Bold: I don't know when that came out, but it by no means could possibly have been a major contribution to his failed campaign. His campaign lost because as soon as he spoke, most people thought it was crap, simple as that.

 

The election results show this, and regardless of the unions now planning strikes to use their members as political pawns, or a few lefties going to 'rent-a-riot' type events, he tried to show himself as stand up for the working man as he said, but in the meanwhile ******* off all the people who employ the working men; he didn't show Labour values, he , in fact, I can't think of anything that he did right!

 

They lost because (like I said in the pre-election thread) ALL his talks were about the bottom 1% (poorest), and the 1% (richest). In effect his campaign was just aimed at 1% of the population. I said these words after the TV debates.

 

The poorest will always vote Labour, so he was wasting his time on given votes. Places like Sheffield, Liverpool etc., Labour strong holds.

 

What he failed to do is recognise that old lesser Labour strongholds are doing better now, and are ****** off at morons being thrown in to these places, just like we had in Hillsborough and Brightside - yet in said places, people still vote for them.

 

Labour is dead, I said that in the [pre-election] thread too, and I'll find it if you don't believe me.

 

Their new candidates aren't good enough. None of them. With more cuts inevitable, a strong leader would Waltz into the next PM. As it is, you are looking at 2 terms (based on current world events).

 

What Labour need to do is find a Sturgeon type person. (like Prescott, but with brains)

....wee Jimmy Krankie and Slugger O'Toole are exactly what we don't need, both small beer on the world stage,but champagne to the left!

[MikeFrank 10]

Personally I think its a disgrace that Chucka has been forced out by the media. They are deplorable.