The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Top Cats Hat 10]

I doubt if any of the seven will still be an MP after the next election. 

 

Luciana Berger may well be the poster girl of the Labour right but if interviews on C4 News in Wavertree are anything to go by, she will struggle to be elected to in a rock solid Labour seat where she is not well liked and seen very much as an outsider parachuted into the constituency.

 

I can see them all out of politics and working as well-paid advisors for big private companies in five years time.

[Anna B 1,401]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I doubt if any of the seven will still be an MP after the next election. 

 

Luciana Berger may well be the poster girl of the Labour right but if interviews on C4 News in Wavertree are anything to go by, she will struggle to be elected to in a rock solid Labour seat where she is not well liked and seen very much as an outsider parachuted into the constituency.

 

I can see them all out of politics and working as well-paid advisors for big private companies in five years time.

Yeah, that just about sums it up.

 

Apart from Chuka Umunna, I doubt most people outside politics have ever heard of them. They certainly don't have the high profile / experience/ respect, that the old gang of four, (Shirley Williams, David Owen, et al) that broke away from Labour and started the short lived Socialist Democratic Party in the 80's. and at least they demonstrated their committment to politics by continuing on into the house of Lords.

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2019 by Anna B

[WiseOwl182 10]

4 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Yeah, that just about sums it up.

 

Apart from Chuka Umunna, I doubt most people outside politics have ever heard of them. They certainly don't have the high profile / experience/ respect, that the old gang of four, (Shirley Williams, David Owen, et al) that broke away from Labour and started the short lived Socialist Democratic Party in the 80's. and at least they demonstrated their committment to politics by continuing on into the house of Lords.

 

 

 

You only resent them because they're symptomatic of the calamity that is Corbyn's Labour party. You had such high hopes, I remember some of your delusional posts.  2017 was peak Corbyn. Most people that were fooled by him then can see through him now.

[Penistone999 10]

3 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I doubt if any of the seven will still be an MP after the next election. 

 

Luciana Berger may well be the poster girl of the Labour right but if interviews on C4 News in Wavertree are anything to go by, she will struggle to be elected to in a rock solid Labour seat where she is not well liked and seen very much as an outsider parachuted into the constituency.

 

I can see them all out of politics and working as well-paid advisors for big private companies in five years time.

Angela smith will be out on her ear in the next Election . She only has a majority of 1300 over the Tories up here, and she has annoyed a lot of her constituents by ignoring their wishes over Brexit, when up here we voted  heavily in favour of Leave.  She has already received a vote of no confidence from the local party up here. https://labourlist.org/2018/11/angela-smith-loses-no-confidence-vote-by-local-party/ 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

4 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

Angela smith will be out on her ear in the next Election .  

Most probably because she won't stand.

[blake 10]

4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Most probably because she won't stand.

quite a lot of the time when they don't stand, it is because they know they'll get beat if they do. 

 

often they try to turn it round, to cast themselves in a heroic mould with Tony Benn being the classic example in Chesterfield in 2001. It was amazing how he managed to get away with that actually. Benn quit because he knew the voters were going to have him out on his ass and he had no chance in the upcoming general election. So he jumped first. 

Edited February 19, 2019 by blake

[Anna B 1,401]

6 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

You only resent them because they're symptomatic of the calamity that is Corbyn's Labour party. You had such high hopes, I remember some of your delusional posts.  2017 was peak Corbyn. Most people that were fooled by him then can see through him now.

I don't resent them at all, they're free to do as they please. If they feel that way, the Labour party is better off without them. I do however agree with Chuka Umunna that our political system is in dire need of change, but I believe that change is embodied in Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

I think more and more of the electorate are waking up to the fact that a tick in a box once every 5 years, to then be totally ignored the rest of the time while politicians think they have carte blanche to do whatever suits them, does not necessarily constitute a fair democracy. All this is being acted out through Brexit, but Brexit is more a symptom of the desire for change than an actual wish for the end result. 

 

In what way was I or anyone else 'fooled' by Corbyn? He's been pretty steadfast throughout. What perhaps has had an effect on those less informed is the relentless battering he and some of his colleagues have undergone in the media. There is a limit to how many times you can hear someone denounced as dangerous, useless, anti-semitic, etc etc without it having an effect. I'm so sick of seeing the constant, ridiculous stories in the papers, especially at a time when the Tories are so obviously floundering, that I no longer bother to read them or try to defend them. I simply see it as a mark of the desperation that the Establishment is feeling with regards to Corbyn and his undoubted popularity. Just because you don't read or hear about that in the media doesn't mean it isn't still there.

 

The same rules will come into force as last time in an election situation: Corbyn has to be given equal exposure, airtime, and chance to get his message across to the people from the horse's mouth, without spin or editing. The people liked what they heard last time, and they will again. The man is centre- left, eminently pragmatic and sensible, as is his message, 'For the many, not the few.'      

Edited February 19, 2019 by Anna B

[L00b 441]

13 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

Thats correct. she is my MP . I have no time for her. She voted against the wishes of her constituents by voting  remain .  We voted heavily to leave up here . She is a traitor and does not represent her constituents .  

 

The majority of her constituents , myself include voted to Leave . Speaking to a few people up here ,and the feeling is the same from all of them . She has betrayed the people she claims to represent. 

I think you need to learn about how your representative democracy works, before bandying insults. The system is a few centuries old by now, so you have little excuse.

[ECCOnoob 1,017]

3 hours ago, Anna B said:

I don't resent them at all, they're free to do as they please. If they feel that way, the Labour party is better off without them. I do however agree with Chuka Umunna that our political system is in dire need of change, but I believe that change is embodied in Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

I think more and more of the electorate are waking up to the fact that a tick in a box once every 5 years, to then be totally ignored the rest of the time while politicians think they have carte blanche to do whatever suits them, does not necessarily constitute a fair democracy. All this is being acted out through Brexit, but Brexit is more a symptom of the desire for change than an actual wish for the end result. 

 

In what way was I or anyone else 'fooled' by Corbyn? He's been pretty steadfast throughout. What perhaps has had an effect on those less informed is the relentless battering he and some of his colleagues have undergone in the media. There is a limit to how many times you can hear someone denounced as dangerous, useless, anti-semitic, etc etc without it having an effect. I'm so sick of seeing the constant, ridiculous stories in the papers, especially at a time when the Tories are so obviously floundering, that I no longer bother to read them or try to defend them. I simply see it as a mark of the desperation that the Establishment is feeling with regards to Corbyn and his undoubted popularity. Just because you don't read or hear about that in the media doesn't mean it isn't still there.

 

The same rules will come into force as last time in an election situation: Corbyn has to be given equal exposure, airtime, and chance to get his message across to the people from the horse's mouth, without spin or editing. The people liked what they heard last time, and they will again. The man is centre- left, eminently pragmatic and sensible, as is his message, 'For the many, not the few.'      

Yeah yeah...  

Its all media bias init.   Its all so unfair.    Its all the bad press.  He would be PM by now if it wasn't for the 'establishnent'   why can't they all stop picking on him.

 

....Blah blah blah.  Yawn.

 

God sake when are you Corbynites going to sober up and face facts.

 

30 years on the back benches doing sod all.  A professional protester thrust into the top job by some cultish campaign group.  A bully and a pig headed dinosaur who is a complete turn off to the wider electorate.

 

A man who despite the so-called worst government ever is still only managing to scrape level at best.  A hypocrite, a reactionary, a weak leader and an incompetent fool who chucks out the easy soundbites from the opposite bench but hides away when the heat is on himself. 

 

Enough already with the excuses.  He's a failure and needs to go.  

Edited February 19, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[taxman 12]

Quits Labour Party due to antisemitism then describes people as having "a funny tinge". Will this independent group take swift and determined action to combat the racism within their party? Have they even signed up to the definition of anti funny tingism? 

[melthebell 862]

14 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Angela Smith has no loyalty to the Labour leadership and doesn't want Labour to win the next general election. She, like the other six, are Blairite pro-EU dinosaurs who are completely out of touch with both the party and their constituents.

 

Attempting to weaken the Labour party while displaying their loyalty to the neoliberal EU consigns them all to the dustbin of history. By-elections NOW!

how do they weaken labour? its as weak as its ever been, its almost invisible, particularly on brexit, they WONT win an election despite the fact its all Corbyn seems interested in, forcing an election.

[El Cid 212]

11 hours ago, Anna B said:

Apart from Chuka Umunna, I doubt most people outside politics have ever heard of them. They certainly don't have the high profile / experience/ respect, that the old gang of four, (Shirley Williams, David Owen, et al) that broke away from Labour and started the short lived Socialist Democratic Party in the 80's.

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The gang of seven were like fish out of water in the new Corbyn Labour party, so of course they were not going to be in the press spouting Labour policy.