The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[tinfoilhat 11]

But that's all he's doing, politicking for the sole reason to get into the top job and sod the consequences. He's not offering alternatives, showing leadership - anything that makes me think he should get into number 10. He probably will do next time out but given the state of the country the Tories have put us in, I'd have hoped for much more.

 

And what's more, he made me agree with Michael Gove. I can't have enough showers to get rid of that!

[alchresearch 214]

Praise where praise is due.  I posted this on the Brexit thread but it will disappear in no time. Plus I don't think anyone reads what anyone else is saying on there.

 

Lammy: There is no left-wing justification for Labour to back Brexit

David Lammy has said that there is “no left-wing justification for Brexit” as he dismissed calls from colleagues to “appease” Labour voters in industrial towns.

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jeremy-corbyn-and-labour-should-not-back-brexit-says-david-lammy-1-5847370

 

Why isn't Corbyn saying this though?

[geared 317]

To be fair Labour haven't really given a toss about people in Industrial towns for donkeys years, so I don't know why they suddenly should start caring now?

Places like Rotherham and Barnsley will vote Red no matter what they do, there is really no incentive to try and please these people, because they won't do anything about it anyway.

 

Give em the short end of the stick, they're happen enough with that.

Edited January 11, 2019 by geared

[tinfoilhat 11]

37 minutes ago, geared said:

To be fair Labour haven't really given a toss about people in Industrial towns for donkeys years, so I don't know why they suddenly should start caring now?

Places like Rotherham and Barnsley will vote Red no matter what they do, there is really no incentive to try and please these people, because they won't do anything about it anyway.

 

Give em the short end of the stick, they're happen enough with that.

Well you say that, but that vote is being whittled away. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/the-way-the-eu-treated-the-uk-opened-my-eyes-bolsovers-brexit

 

But you're right with the rest of it.

[Mister M 1,625]

2 hours ago, geared said:

To be fair Labour haven't really given a toss about people in Industrial towns for donkeys years, so I don't know why they suddenly should start caring now?

Places like Rotherham and Barnsley will vote Red no matter what they do, there is really no incentive to try and please these people, because they won't do anything about it anyway.

 

Give em the short end of the stick, they're happen enough with that.

With regards to the Brexit issue I think politicians of all parties have expressed concern about going against the expressed wishes of the people in a referendum. Even though that referendum was advisory. On many current affairs and news programmes, guests have expressed concern that there would be civil unrest if politicians did not enact the will of the people.

On the second point you raise, yes Rotherham and Barnsley have voted Labour for many a year, but Buckingham and Christchurch have voted Tory since year dot - are you saying you could stick a blue rosette on a donkey and the voters of those constituencies would vote for it?

[Jonny5 10]

Not sure if you have put any thought whatsoever into why people in Buckingham and Christchurch might have reason to be somewhat more content with their MPs.

[geared 317]

1 hour ago, Mister M said:

Rotherham and Barnsley have voted Labour for many a year, but Buckingham and Christchurch have voted Tory since year dot - are you saying you could stick a blue rosette on a donkey and the voters of those constituencies would vote for it?

err yes??

 

4 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Well you say that, but that vote is being whittled away. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/the-way-the-eu-treated-the-uk-opened-my-eyes-bolsovers-brexit

 

But you're right with the rest of it.

 

Considering Barnsleys Labour MP was jailed for expenses fraud and they still saw fit to re-elect the next Labour candidate that blundered along I think the seats remain safe.

 

but I do like that article as it quite neatly demonstrates several of the Brexit issues all in one little town.

 

Edited January 11, 2019 by geared

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Corbyn now needs to pull his finger out and come out in favour of opposing Brexit or at the very least a second referendum, or step aside and let someone else lead the Labour Party.

[Longcol 602]

25 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Corbyn now needs to pull his finger out and come out in favour of opposing Brexit or at the very least a second referendum, or step aside and let someone else lead the Labour Party.

The Patron Saint of Allotments still has a crazy vision of sweeping all before him in General Election and ushering in a socialist paradise.

 

He'll not even win the vote of confidence.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

5 minutes ago, Longcol said:

He'll not even win the vote of confidence.

He would almost certainly win a general election if Labour stood on an anti Brexit ticket.

[Longcol 602]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

He would almost certainly win a general election if Labour stood on an anti Brexit ticket.

Would he?

 

I can't see Tory remainers flocking to vote Labour and I can see Labour losing Brexit voters to a Farage party - or simply not voting.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

13 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Would he?

 

I can't see Tory remainers flocking to vote Labour and I can see Labour losing Brexit voters to a Farage party - or simply not voting.

A good number of Tories have said that they will vote for any party now opposing Brexit.

 

And if right wing Labour supporters vote for UKIP or the BNP or not vote at all,, it will not gain the Conservatives a single seat.