The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Anna B 1,414]

Brexit has been made all the more complicated by it being pushed as a party issue. It really should have been cross party, the fundamental question being 'do you want toe stay in or be out?' regardless of party affiliations.

 

It's now probably going to confuse the outcome of the next election. 

[Flanker7 20]

It is a cross party issue for Labour and the Conservatives.  It’s the reasons that illuminating.  (IMO)

 

Labour - Ideologically they should be Brexiters because it’s a rich countries club to selfishly gain the best for them at the expense of  other countries . But, many supporters are poor and know that Labour are the best bet to improve their lot.

 

Conservatives - Ideologically they should be Remainers because it’s a rich countries club to  get the best for them (Greed is good). But,  the power hungry* and  little britoners* want to run the country and  reject any trace of jonny foreigner. Hurrah!

 

*= elements of both these types in both parties.

[woodview 10]

11 hours ago, Anna B said:

Brexit has been made all the more complicated by it being pushed as a party issue. It really should have been cross party, the fundamental question being 'do you want toe stay in or be out?' regardless of party affiliations.

 

It's now probably going to confuse the outcome of the next election. 

It has, and also in a very peculiar way. Labour is against what the tories are doing. With the reduced majority situation, they are now playing at party politics with an issue that isn't. 

I personally dont like aspects of the deal, but it has large chunks that satisfy some of peoples biggest concerns. The fact it has zero Labour mp support, is at the very least odd.

[melthebell 863]

Interesting and pretty heavy tv doc about Militant and the labour party from 1981

 

And one from 1982 lol

 

Edited December 25, 2018 by melthebell

[alchresearch 214]

So Jezza is calling for an election.  Wise move or is he just setting himself up for another fall?

 

We've already got the mess that is Brexit, how on earth is an election going to help?     Labour are still behind the Tories in the polls.

 

Considering his previous track record in Europe, lets just assume he does become PM.  What is he expecting to go to Europe and come away with?  Why would Europe listen to him?

 

Comments worth a read here:
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46824125

Edited January 10, 2019 by alchresearch

[woodview 10]

12 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

So Jezza is calling for an election.  Wise move or is he just setting himself up for another fall?

 

We've already got the mess that is Brexit, how on earth is an election going to help?     Labour are still behind the Tories in the polls.

 

Considering his previous track record in Europe, lets just assume he does become PM.  What is he expecting to go to Europe and come away with?  Why would Europe listen to him?

 

Comments worth a read here:
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46824125

It's not a deadlock breaker. It just makes him look foolish imo.

There's is talk today of TM discussing with Labour mp's guarantees on workers rights. Why isn't he pushing that angle instead? Support a deal that protects aspects he sees as most important?????

[jaffa1 10]

How the devil can an election solve Brexit? Even after an election we would still be back to the Brexit hold up. Labour just can't  wait to get their hands in the till.

[geared 317]

1 hour ago, woodview said:

Why isn't he pushing that angle instead? Support a deal that protects aspects he sees as most important?????

 

because the Aspect that he sees as most important is him being the PM.

 

Nothing else matters.

[apelike 10]

If Corbyn forces a GE it will make Brexit harder to resolve and not easier as Parliament will get suspended 25 working days before its held and in that time nothing can be resolved but the clock still ticks. 

Edited January 10, 2019 by apelike

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

So Jezza is calling for an election.  Wise move or is he just setting himself up for another fall?

 

We've already got the mess that is Brexit, how on earth is an election going to help?     Labour are still behind the Tories in the polls.

 

Considering his previous track record in Europe, lets just assume he does become PM.  What is he expecting to go to Europe and come away with?  Why would Europe listen to him?

 

Comments worth a read here:
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46824125

He doesn’t know (does he?) what may even asked for - nobody does so I’m not sure how he knows he would get a better deal. 

[geared 317]

2 hours ago, apelike said:

If Corbyn forces a GE it will make Brexit harder to resolve and not easier as Parliament will get suspended 25 working days before its held and in that time nothing can be resolved but the clock still ticks. 

The correct thing to do would be to ask for/tell them we will have a 6-12 month extension on Article 50 before dissolving Parliament, otherwise we'll just crash out of the EU in March with no actual Government in control of the country because it will have been dissolved for a vote.

 

Now that would be total chaos.

Edited January 10, 2019 by geared

[Mister M 1,625]

6 hours ago, jaffa1 said:

How the devil can an election solve Brexit? Even after an election we would still be back to the Brexit hold up. Labour just can't  wait to get their hands in the till.

 

5 hours ago, geared said:

 

because the Aspect that he sees as most important is him being the PM.

 

Nothing else matters.

A politician and leader of HM Opposition who wants to be Prime Minister. Well fancy that!

Edited January 10, 2019 by Mister M