The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[melthebell 862]

2 minutes ago, Jonny5 said:

All Labour has to do is get rid of Corbyn, bring in Starmer or Umanna with a pledge for a 2nd referendum, and they would topple the government and win a General Election.

 

Why is this not happening?

Momentum? 

 

and the cult of corbyn

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1 minute ago, Jonny5 said:

Why is this not happening?

The membership, who have the greatest say in any Labour leadership contest, will not elect a candidate from the right especially after their collusion with Zionists against Corbyn this summer..

 

Corbyn's successor would have to be from the left of the party.

[woodview 10]

30 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I think it must be time for Corbyn to go now.

 

His €uroscepticism is an outdated, ultraleft position which is completely pointless in 2018. His greatest chance of power is a Labour Party standing on a united anti-Brexit ticket, shedding reactionary Labour votes but gaining a sizeable number of progressive Tory votes and pretty much all Lib Dem votes.

 

Some mainstream Tory voters would never vote for a Corbyn Labour Party but neither will they vote for a pro-Brexit Tory Party under whatever leader. The most important repercussion of an anti-Brexit Labour victory is that far from seeing the predicted run on the pound, Sterling and the markets would surge on news of the cancellation of Brexit, giving the incoming Labour government all the liquidity it needs to carry out a radical programme.

 

A radical Labour government is closer to power than at any time in its history and it is being jeopardised by Corbyn's outdated student politics position on Europe.

 

Time to go Jezza!

Labour can't win on an anti Brexit ticket. Whether you are for or against it, a significant proportion of Labour voters will abandon them in that case. In all the marginal seats , that pushes Labour 2nd.  Tht puts them in opppsition again. And regardless of what the new membership think and want, it isn't aligned to their core traditional support.

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13 minutes ago, woodview said:

Labour can't win on an anti Brexit ticket. Whether you are for or against it, a significant proportion of Labour voters will abandon them in that case. 

 

Significant maybe, but still a minority which should more than offset by remain supporters from other parties. What you have to remember that the majority of the electorate supports remaining in the EU and this issue completely tramples over traditional party loyalties.

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8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

Significant maybe, but still a minority which should more than offset by remain supporters from other parties. What you have to remember that the majority of the electorate supports remaining in the EU and this issue completely tramples over traditional party loyalties.

So why are the Lib Dem’s doing so badly? This should be their time to shine.

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12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

Significant maybe, but still a minority which should more than offset by remain supporters from other parties. What you have to remember that the majority of the electorate supports remaining in the EU and this issue completely tramples over traditional party loyalties.

When you take it regionally, I dont think that's true. You aren't going to get Remain tories voting Labour. But Leave Labour electorate will abonden them, as they did before.

As Tinfoil mentions, Libdems  have disappeared and are the only main Remain party.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

So why are the Lib Dem’s doing so badly? This should be their time to shine.

Because they are not seen by many as a serious contender to form a government.

 

And can people stop classing all working class people in 'traditional' Labour seats as 'traditional Labour voters'? Since 'Right to Buy' in the early '80s a small but significant number of working class voters have supported the Conservative Party for the last three decades. These people almost certainly voted to leave the EU, and can't be classed as lost votes to Labour.

 

At the end of the day 65% of Labour voters supported Remain in the referendum and only a proportion of those who voted leave will not vote for an anti-Brexit Labour Party and only a proportion of those with then vote Tory and are actually more likely to vote UKIP if they stand.

 

Corbyn is being badly advised on the numbers here and the potential haemorrhage of Labour votes to the Tories is being grossly exaggerated.

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

At the end of the day 65% of Labour voters supported Remain in the referendum and only a proportion of those who voted leave will not vote for an anti-Brexit Labour Party and only a proportion of those with then vote Tory and are actually more likely to vote UKIP if they stand.

No... At the end of the day the dodgy pollsters believe that 65% of Labour supporters voted remain. As usual they cant say that its is an accurate reflection as its well known that post polls can be unreliable in their results as people lie which can seriously skew the results, telephone polls in particular.

Edited December 23, 2018 by apelike

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3 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Corbyn is being badly advised on the numbers here and the potential haemorrhage of Labour votes to the Tories is being grossly exaggerated.

A bit like the polls then.. I'm sure Corbyn knows what is at stake hence him saying this:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46658335

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37 minutes ago, apelike said:

No... At the end of the day the dodgy pollsters believe that 65% of Labour supporters voted remain. As usual they cant say that its is an accurate reflection as its well known that post polls can be unreliable in their results as people lie which can seriously skew the results, telephone polls in particular.

Another one who doesn't understand what a poll is! 🙄

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

Come on you Labourites,  surely a new leader would give the Tory's a dose of the vapors. 

 

The only person who is capable of this is of course the Durable Dame of the Abacus, Diane Abbott, a sure fire cert to make her opponents gnash their teeth in anguish and fear.

Then again maybe the man who has had more comebacks than Rocky might scare the Tory's into a comatose state, arise Perfect Peter the former Right Honourable  Baron Mandelson of Foy in the county of Herefordshire and Hartlepool in the county of Durham, Lord President of the Council, First Secretary of State, and Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills. He is a cert to make the Tory hierarchy wet their pants.

 

Angel1.

[Jonny5 10]

23 hours ago, melthebell said:

Momentum? 

 

and the cult of corbyn

Plus Len Mclusky thinking he can pull a fast one of those pesky European Neo-Liberal Fat Cats (....as he chows down on a huge piece of steak whilst being chauffeured around London).