The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Calahonda 11]

And now we get a second bazaar post...

still no answer then Cal?

if you call someone a racist, you really ought to back it up mate

 

Why are you replying for Mel?

[banjodeano 31]

Why are you replying for Mel?

 

Ok mate, i know your not going to back up your accusation that my post was racist...have a good day

[melthebell 862]

Ok mate, i know your not going to back up your accusation that my post was racist...have a good day

he never has an arguement, never has facts, just always posts bizarre things to derail threads. think i'll leave him there

[Calahonda 11]

he never has an arguement, never has facts, just always posts bizarre things to derail threads. think i'll leave him there

 

Like gas chambers and kids down chimneys isn’t bizarre, it must be the Whitby air.

[blake 10]

If your counter-arguments are that nothing has changed one week after a law being passed, and that Israel is not an apartheid state when I didn't say it was, then that is weak. As it happens, I think Israel will become an apartheid state, because ethic nationalists pass laws like the one in question because they want to embed racism in the fabric of the state. That should be obvious, especially when their ethno-nationalism is of such a virulent strain as Netenyahu and Lieberman's.

 

Think about it for a minute: if a Labour government under Corbyn passed a law that allowed Jews to be treated less favourably, we'd be calling him a racist. Because that would be an essentially racist thing to do.

 

 

I'm not in favour of this nation-state Israeli law that was passed this week and I've argued against it among Israelis many times over years. There's been pressure coming for a long time with this law. It may have just been passed only this week, but it's been a topic of discussion for a long time.

 

Some years ago the talk was that everybody was supposed to take a 'loyalty pledge', to recognise Israel as being a Jewish in character, which obviously it is anyway otherwise it wouldn't have come about in the first place, but obviously they realised what a totally ridiculous and impractical thing the 'loyalty pledge' idea was.

 

Lining up 7 million people in a line to read a passage off a piece of paper always seemed something of a silly notion to say the least. So this law has emerged instead.

 

It is not a good law and I would have preferred that it had narrowly failed to pass than narrowly passed the way it did, through the Knesset. But Israel is no closer to being an apartheid or racist state this week, than it was last week.

 

the silliest thing about it is not anything that it does, because it doesn't actually do anything. It's an almost totally decorative, cosmetic law. It does change the the Arabic language from being an official language and into being, instead, a 'special status' language. And I was against that. I argued that Arabic should remain an official language of Israel. But whatever the change of its status, Arabic isn't going to suddenly start going to get removed from Israeli street signs. That is not going to change. Nothing will change.

 

Everybody in Israel knew that the state has a Jewish character last week, and everybody also knows that Israel still has a Jewish character this week too. The law has just put a piece of window dressing on that extant reality. And that's why I was against the law. Why bother with it. It's pointless. All it does, apart from giving a certain kind of liberally minded Jewish person like the Johnathon Freedland's of this world a good excuse to indulge in an extended bout of self-flagellation, is give Israel's enemies a false premise to denounce Israel as a racist state, which Israel is not and has never been.

 

The law doesn't affect any minorities' rights. Arabs and other non-Jewish citizens can still vote, stand for office, and if they think they have been aggrieved, sue the Israeli government this week, just like they could last week. It's nothing like any of the South African apartheid laws at all.

[banjodeano 31]

he never has an arguement, never has facts, just always posts bizarre things to derail threads. think i'll leave him there

 

But he proves my point perfectly Mell..

I stated why the left have issues with Israel and its treatment of Palestine, and that they dont give two hoots about anyone being Jewish,

and his response was to call my post racist, which is exactly what the Blairites want to do in the labour party, they want to shut down any debate about Israel by calling it antisemitism, that is why the socialists will not fully implement IHRA, they see it as a means to stop debate because they will be immediately label it antisemitic,

[mort 10]

Enough. Back on topic please.

[Calahonda 11]

Since April 11, 2016 Labour has lost one third of it’s private donations due to Jewish donors pulling the plug, this amounts to some £3.2 million. (Gilda.co.uk/Gilda Atzmon).

 

Obviously they are not convinced that Corbyn’s front bench is not anti Semitic.

[The Moon 10]

Since April 11, 2016 Labour has lost one third of it’s private donations due to Jewish donors pulling the plug, this amounts to some £3.2 million. (Gilda.co.uk/Gilda Atzmon).

 

Obviously they are not convinced that Corbyn’s front bench is not anti Semitic.

 

More like they're not convinced that the Labour front bench won't give mindless blind support to the state of Israel.

[Calahonda 11]

More like they're not convinced that the Labour front bench won't give mindless blind support to the state of Israel.

 

As against giving mindless blind support to Islamic terrorists, which is their preference. And no this isn’t Islamaphobia, this is the UK, and we have more on our plate at the moment, I would much prefer that Labour threw it’s hat into the ring in respect of the Brexit negotiations, which of course it won’t.

[melthebell 862]

An interesting read on the subject by somebody accused on twitter to be anti-semetic

https://medium.com/@GregHadfield/revealed-the-labour-party-activists-behind-the-anti-semitism-smears-683f3d8c890f

[Jonny5 10]

An interesting read on the subject by somebody accused on twitter to be anti-semetic

https://medium.com/@GregHadfield/revealed-the-labour-party-activists-behind-the-anti-semitism-smears-683f3d8c890f

This is just insanity at this point. The party is tearing itself apart.

 

This anti semitism should have been done and buried years ago but instead Corbyn just dithers along unable to do anything to get it sorted out.

 

Labour needs a strong non divisive leader to get it united and back in government.