The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[TJC1 10]

I'm a business owner and I know its wrong...thats why osborne has put 750m to raking in tax....why should the poor and working poor pay for this?

Corbyn no matter if we agree with all policies has held up a mirror to a national disgrace.

[I1L2T3 10]

This pretty much does it - thank you.

 

Rubbish. That's just rhetoric straight out of the right wing media.

[RonJeremy 10]

Well many big businesses aren't putting into the system that's for sure. A collection of all the taxes they owe would wipe this deficit out overnight.

 

But many big businesses and high earners are avoiding paying tax NOW, and that's under a Tory Government, 'the government of big business'.

 

It's pure greed. No wonder this country is on its knees.

 

40 to 120 bn....tax avoidance is killing our growth and killing poor people.

 

Tax avoidance? Why would anyone pay more tax than is due? Do you pay voluntary taxes?

[TJC1 10]

And why should QE work for banks and not for people?

I see no reason a national bank will not work...

[blake 10]

Yes quite a lot actually. We're in entirely different times now,

 

the-bloke is absolutely correct. I may have changed. You may have changed. The sixty million odd other British people may have changed since 1983, but Corbyn hasn't. He hasn't changed at all.

 

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-jeremy-corbyns-policies-compare-9853652

 

 

1983 manifesto: Create a new National Investment Bank

 

Corbyn: Create a National Investment Bank to invest in the new infrastructure we need and in the hi-tech and innovative industries of the future.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Repeal Tory legislation on industrial relations

 

Corbyn: Britain has the most restrictive anti-union laws in western Europe, and this government is about to tighten them further. This will have one clear effect: to increase inequality. It will be repealed under a Labour government if I am leader.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Raise child benefits, uprate the pension, provide at least 3% more for the NHS, improve personal social services like meals on wheels and home helps with a 4% increase, spend more on education

 

Corbyn: Growth and higher wages are key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are “a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor”.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Stop the nuclear energy programme and devise a new Plan for Coal

 

Corbyn: I am opposed to new nuclear on the basis of the dangers posed to our ecosystems. New nuclear power will mean the continued production of dangerous nuclear waste and an increased risk from radioactive accident and nuclear proliferation. The government plans to subsidise new nuclear power plants to the tune of £77bn, despite the cost of cleaning up the existing nuclear waste reaching £100bn.

 

Despite opposing fossil fuel subsidies, Corbyn has floated the idea of reopening the South Wales coalfield with clean carbon technology – something critics say is impractical.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Give more help to public transport, with funds to improve services, keep down fares and increase investment especially in rail electrification and better freight facilities

 

Corbyn: Promises “massive investment” in public transport.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Act to improve the environment and deal with pollution

 

Corbyn: Backing a programme of high public spending, Corbyn says we should “borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”

 

 

1983 manifesto: Abolish the legislative powers of the House of Lords

 

Corbyn: I believe we should have a proportionately-represented elected second chamber and in ending hereditary peerages.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Cancel the Trident nuclear weapons programme

 

Corbyn: Not renewing Trident gives our country an opportunity to invest in industry, innovation and infrastructure that will rebalance our economy and transform it into a high skilled, high-tech world leading economy.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Maintain support for Nato, but seek to persuade it to adopt a non-nuclear strategy

 

Corbyn: Has berated the “enormous expansion of Nato into a global force” and urged a “serious debate about Britain’s overall defence and foreign policy” (including the nuclear deterrent) as Nato membership has brought us enormous levels of military expenditure and... involved us in countless conflicts”.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Launch an offensive against low pay

 

Corbyn: The introduction of a statutory £10 an hour living wage for all workers, including replace the current £2.73 per hour apprenticeship rate with an equalisation of a higher, £10 living wage across the board.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Return to public ownership the public assets hived off by the Tories. We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials, and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest

 

Corbyn: Backs the return of Royal Mail to public ownership and would like the gas and national grid to be state-owned. Would like the Big Six energy suppliers to be publicly owned by a mixture of local, community and national government bodies.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Withdraw from the European Community (the then name for the European Union) without a referendum

 

Corbyn: While not anti-EU per se, he is strongly opposed to many of its key features, and like the continental far-left he wants it to focus less on facilitating trade and more on reining in the perceived excesses of global capitalism.

 

 

1983 manifesto: We reject the Tory proposals for student loans, and we will ensure students are given adequate financial support.

 

Corbyn: An end to all tuition fees in further and higher education. The restoration of student grants, Education Maintenance Allowance and Disabled Students Allowance.

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[RonJeremy 10]

I'm a business owner and I know its wrong...thats why osborne has put 750m to raking in tax....why should the poor and working poor pay for this?

Corbyn no matter if we agree with all policies has held up a mirror to a national disgrace.

Didn't you say you voted Tory at the last election, or have I got you mixed up with someone else?

[TJC1 10]

Tax avoidance? Why would anyone pay more tax than is due? Do you pay voluntary taxes?

 

I'm not amazon funneling sales processing to low tax regions...its clearly wrong.

 

you think thats right?

 

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If I make sales in uk I pay tax in Uk....not hard to understand.

 

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Didn't you say you voted Tory at the last election, or have I got you mixed up with someone else?

 

It doesnt mean im a tax dodging idiot...

 

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Robbing the public purse...

[I1L2T3 10]

And why should QE work for banks and not for people?

I see no reason a national bank will not work...

 

My view is that is the least workable of Corbyn's policies, in normal economic times.

 

Obviously in another banking crisis, if we are staring down the barrel of needing to pump £350bn into the banks again, that is decision time.

 

Do we give the banks £350bn? Or do we say take it or leave it, we're still going to create £350bn of QE money but the banks won't be getting it all; £50bn of it is going towards infrastructure, kind of like a simultaneous rescue of banks and economic stimulus.

 

In normal times though you would not do this so Corbyn has to be clearer about the triggers.

[RonJeremy 10]

I'm not amazon funneling sales processing to low tax regions...its clearly wrong.

 

you think thats right?

 

---------- Post added 13-09-2015 at 20:41 ----------

 

If I make sales in uk I pay tax in Uk....not hard to understand.

 

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It doesnt mean im a tax dodging idiot...

 

It is legal and sensible tax planning within the EU. That's why these states offer low taxes - to encourage companies to pay their tax there.

 

I don't believe you voted Tory at the last election - your politics are way too left wing and you never praise anything done by the tories.

I call LIAR.

[I1L2T3 10]

the-bloke is absolutely correct. I may have changed. You may have changed. The sixty million odd other British people may have changed since 1983, but Corbyn hasn't. He hasn't changed at all.

 

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-jeremy-corbyns-policies-compare-9853652

 

 

1983 manifesto: Create a new National Investment Bank

 

Corbyn: Create a National Investment Bank to invest in the new infrastructure we need and in the hi-tech and innovative industries of the future.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Repeal Tory legislation on industrial relations

 

Corbyn: Britain has the most restrictive anti-union laws in western Europe, and this government is about to tighten them further. This will have one clear effect: to increase inequality. It will be repealed under a Labour government if I am leader.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Raise child benefits, uprate the pension, provide at least 3% more for the NHS, improve personal social services like meals on wheels and home helps with a 4% increase, spend more on education

 

Corbyn: Growth and higher wages are key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are “a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor”.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Stop the nuclear energy programme and devise a new Plan for Coal

 

Corbyn: I am opposed to new nuclear on the basis of the dangers posed to our ecosystems. New nuclear power will mean the continued production of dangerous nuclear waste and an increased risk from radioactive accident and nuclear proliferation. The government plans to subsidise new nuclear power plants to the tune of £77bn, despite the cost of cleaning up the existing nuclear waste reaching £100bn.

 

Despite opposing fossil fuel subsidies, Corbyn has floated the idea of reopening the South Wales coalfield with clean carbon technology – something critics say is impractical.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Give more help to public transport, with funds to improve services, keep down fares and increase investment especially in rail electrification and better freight facilities

 

Corbyn: Promises “massive investment” in public transport.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Act to improve the environment and deal with pollution

 

Corbyn: Backing a programme of high public spending, Corbyn says we should “borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”

1983 manifesto: Accepts the need for immigration controls, but will introduce immigration laws which do not discriminate against women, black or Asian Britons

 

 

1983 manifesto: Abolish the legislative powers of the House of Lords

 

Corbyn: I believe we should have a proportionately-represented elected second chamber and in ending hereditary peerages.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Cancel the Trident nuclear weapons programme

 

Corbyn: Not renewing Trident gives our country an opportunity to invest in industry, innovation and infrastructure that will rebalance our economy and transform it into a high skilled, high-tech world leading economy.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Maintain support for Nato, but seek to persuade it to adopt a non-nuclear strategy

 

Corbyn: Has berated the “enormous expansion of Nato into a global force” and urged a “serious debate about Britain’s overall defence and foreign policy” (including the nuclear deterrent) as Nato membership has brought us enormous levels of military expenditure and... involved us in countless conflicts”.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Launch an offensive against low pay

 

Corbyn: The introduction of a statutory £10 an hour living wage for all workers, including replace the current £2.73 per hour apprenticeship rate with an equalisation of a higher, £10 living wage across the board.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Return to public ownership the public assets hived off by the Tories. We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials, and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest

 

Corbyn: Backs the return of Royal Mail to public ownership and would like the gas and national grid to be state-owned. Would like the Big Six energy suppliers to be publicly owned by a mixture of local, community and national government bodies.

 

 

1983 manifesto: Withdraw from the European Community (the then name for the European Union) without a referendum

 

Corbyn: While not anti-EU per se, he is strongly opposed to many of its key features, and like the continental far-left he wants it to focus less on facilitating trade and more on reining in the perceived excesses of global capitalism.

 

 

1983 manifesto: We reject the Tory proposals for student loans, and we will ensure students are given adequate financial support.

 

Corbyn: An end to all tuition fees in further and higher education. The restoration of student grants, Education Maintenance Allowance and Disabled Students Allowance.

 

None of it is extreme though. It is all mainstream economics. There is nothing earth shatteringly socialist in there.

[poppet2 13]

These "young people" expecting life to be handed to them on a plate. Yes, well done vote for Corbyn.

 

Oh, and did the "young people" who are now MPs, with rich parents, that took advantage of a free university education, have life handed to them on a plate?

[tinfoilhat 11]

My view is that is the least workable of Corbyn's policies, in normal economic times.

 

Obviously in another banking crisis, if we are staring down the barrel of needing to pump £350bn into the banks again, that is decision time.

 

Do we give the banks £350bn? Or do we say take it or leave it, we're still going to create £350bn of QE money but the banks won't be getting it all; £50bn of it is going towards infrastructure, kind of like a simultaneous rescue of banks and economic stimulus.

 

In normal times though you would not do this so Corbyn has to be clearer about the triggers.

 

The guy wants to reopen coal mines and hand over the Falklands. A bank really is the least of his worries.