The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

3 hours ago, banjodeano said:

I'll just leave this here....

 

Jeremy Corbyn could be poised for Downing Street if May calls an election after shock poll reveals Labour have taken a FIVE-point lead over Tories…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6868745/Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-calls-election-shock-poll-reveals-Labour-five-point-lead.html

Daily Mail sensationlist guff as usual.    Its just one poll from one sample. 

 

I will just leave this here too, you know just to give a bit of objectivity. 

 

Pollster	Fieldwork	Con	Lab	LDem	UKIP	Grn	NET
Deltapoll	30 Mar 2019	36	41	7	7	TBC	Lab +5
Opinium	29 Mar 2019	35	35	9	9	5	TIE
Opinium	22 Mar 2019	36	35	7	9	4	Con +1
Ipsos Mori	19 Mar 2019	38	34	8	7	4	Con +4
YouGov	15 Mar 2019	35	33	11	...	...	Con +2
YouGov	15 Mar 2019	35	31	12	6	6	Con +4
Opinium	15 Mar 2019	38	34	8	8	3	Con +4
Survation	15 Mar 2019	35	39	10	5	...	Lab +4

 

...February was this....

 

YouGov	25 Feb 2019	41	30	10	5	4	Con +11
Deltapoll	23 Feb 2019	43	36	6	5	3	Con +7
YouGov	19 Feb 2019	41	33	10	4	4	Con +8
Survation	18 Feb 2019	40	36	10	5	2	Con +4
Opinium	15 Feb 2019	37	37	8	7	3	TIE
TNS	11 Feb 2019	40	35	10	3	4	Con +5
BMG	08 Feb 2019	38	35	13	5	5	Con +3
Ipsos Mori	05 Feb 2019	38	38	10	4	3	TIE
YouGov	04 Feb 2019	41	34	10	4	4	Con +7
Opinium	01 Feb 2019	41	34	8	7	4	Con +7

 

Remember January....

Survation	30 Jan 2019	38	39	9	4	2	Lab +1
ICM	18 Jan 2019	39	40	9	5	3	Lab +1
Opinium	18 Jan 2019	37	40	7	7	3	Lab +3
ComRes	17 Jan 2019	38	37	10	6	3	Con +1
ComRes	15 Jan 2019	37	39	8	7	3	Lab +2
YouGov	14 Jan 2019	39	34	11	6	4	Con +5
TNS	14 Jan 2019	35	38	9	6	4	Lab +3
BMG	11 Jan 2019	36	36	12	6	5	TIE
Survation	10 Jan 2019	38	41	10	4	2	Lab +3

 

The point is polls are yo yoing from Tory lead, labour lead, tory lead, labour lead......   Its changes every day dependant on which polling company one chooses to follow.    Its totally inconclusive with exception of showing that neither have any outright majority and we seemingly hate the two main parties equally.

 

In other words, I would not start wetting your knickers and getting the red rose celebration cake just yet.

 

We all know that Compo has been banging on about a general election for months. Its his stock cop out answer because his own party is just as split and his own bexit proposals were firmly rejected by the house too.

 

Its also abundently clear to anyone with a brain that Compo has a habit of jumping on any old crap bandwaggpn he thinks will carry favour.  - irrelevant of its consequences or his own principals.

 

Even if Corbyn did make it to top dog he would still fall short of a majority.  He too would have to prostitute himself out to the highest bidder (seemingly Nippy Nicola is the favourite), Brexit would not go away and his actions on it would be just as polarised and his control of the house and his own party would just be as chaotic as the scenes we have seen with Tersea.

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[Robin-H 11]

Does no one else see the absolute hypocrisy in Labour saying that would now welcome a public vote on Theresa May’s deal, but if there was an election and they proposed their own deal they have said they wouldn’t put that to a public vote. Where is the logic in that? 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

34 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

 Where is the logic in that? 

The logic is that if Labour put their deal in their manifesto and won the election then the public would have already voted on it.

 

May’s deal has never been tested by the public.

[Robin-H 11]

24 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The logic is that if Labour put their deal in their manifesto and won the election then the public would have already voted on it.

 

May’s deal has never been tested by the public.

But they wouldn’t be able to negotiate a deal with the EU until they were in government.

 

They could put what they want in their manifesto, but what they want and what the EU would allow are two different things. 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

10 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

But they wouldn’t be able to negotiate a deal with the EU until they were in government.

I think you must have forgotten that Corbyn's customs union proposals have already been given the green light by Brussels but as leader of the opposition they held no weight.

 

If Brexit isn't sacked off altogether then the EU's second favourite position is the UK remaining in some form of customs union. Let's not forget that the last two years' negotiations have only been so fraught because the Tories were making ludicrous demands which the EU were never going to agree to.

[Robin-H 11]

9 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I think you must have forgotten that Corbyn's customs union proposals have already been given the green light by Brussels but as leader of the opposition they held no weight.

 

If Brexit isn't sacked off altogether then the EU's second favourite position is the UK remaining in some form of customs union. Let's not forget that the last two years' negotiations have only been so fraught because the Tories were making ludicrous demands which the EU were never going to agree to.

No it hasn’t. 

 

Corbyn says they want to a comprehensive customs union with the EU, but not like the customs union now because he wants the UK to be able to negotiate its own trade deals. The EU do not allow countries within the customs union to also be able to strike independent trade deals.

 

Labour’s manifesto said “freedom of movement of people will end when we leave the European Union.. And Jeremy Corbyn has said “unlike the Norway-plus option now being canvassed among MPs, our plan would not leave Britain as an across-the-board rule-taker of EU regulations without a say.

 

He has already negotiated and green lit a deal with the EU that covers all those bases has he? A comprehensive customs union with ‘exactly the same benefits’ (one of their tests for May’s deal) of being in the single market and customs union,  but that allows us to make our own trade deals, end freedom of movement from the EU and stops us being a rule taker? 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by Robin-H

[alchresearch 214]

On 31/03/2019 at 19:47, ECCOnoob said:

Daily Mail sensationlist guff as usual.    Its just one poll from one sample. 

 

Just the day before they were saying:

A snap general election would leave Parliament even MORE divided as both the Tories and Labour face losing seats
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6864903/A-snap-general-election-leave-Parliament-divided.html

 

"The findings suggest the Tories would finish on 307 seats - down from 317 last time - with Labour on 256, down from the 262 it won in 2017"

Edited April 2, 2019 by alchresearch

[Top Cats Hat 10]

3 hours ago, alchresearch said:

A snap general election would leave Parliament even MORE divided as both the Tories and Labour face losing seats
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6864903/A-snap-general-election-leave-Parliament-divided.html

 

"The findings suggest the Tories would finish on 307 seats - down from 317 last time - with Labour on 256, down from the 262 it won in 2017"

Unless some contituencies have disappeared, the graph in that article seems to suggest that the losses to Labour and the Tories would be to the SNP, a reversal of what happened in 2017.

 

Yes, another hung parliament but one which would be about 20 seats more remain.

 

 

[melthebell 862]

Soldiers caught on video "shooting" a picture of Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/army-soldiers-jeremy-corbyn_uk_5ca46be0e4b079824024752a?ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR1SWPDvNsv3Q86afFTRpMKYKZSXHN43XXIzHUyC8zCsQGJdUmy48Ha4e_U

 

now whatever you think of Corbyn and the Labour party, in these highly charged times with political upheavel, intolerances and terrorism (including murders and plans to murder politicians) the army should act with professionalism and decorum.

[alchresearch 214]

The politics of "our boys" worries me. It wasn't so long ago they were posing with Tommy Robinson and siding with him.

[melthebell 862]

16 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

The politics of "our boys" worries me. It wasn't so long ago they were posing with Tommy Robinson and siding with him.

yeah theres always been a right wing connection, suppose its the whole Patriotism, Nationalism, fighting for this great country etc bobbins

[Penistone999 10]

43 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Soldiers caught on video "shooting" a picture of Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/army-soldiers-jeremy-corbyn_uk_5ca46be0e4b079824024752a?ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR1SWPDvNsv3Q86afFTRpMKYKZSXHN43XXIzHUyC8zCsQGJdUmy48Ha4e_U

 

now whatever you think of Corbyn and the Labour party, in these highly charged times with political upheavel, intolerances and terrorism (including murders and plans to murder politicians) the army should act with professionalism and decorum.

Id hazard a guess Corbin isnt popular with our armed forces because of his support of the terrorists of Hamas and the IRA.